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To: carranza2 who wrote (107601)	4/4/2005 1:10:44 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Respond to of 793895

One of your faves, Krugman, is so wrong so much and so often, he should be wearing a dunce cap by now. His rants are merely ideology and propaganda masking as journalism. The problem with economics is that it is not a hard science. You have to start with a lot of assumptions. Legitimate economists will disagree. I think it was Harry Truman who said he hated those two handed economists - on the one hand.....and then on the other..... In the Clinton administration, Bill Clinton was intellectually strong enough to get heavyweight help (in Robert Rubin) from the business community to help manage the economy. From accounts from the former Secretary of the Treasury, Paul O'Neill, this President does not allow for complexity and or discussion. Yet, he is not knowledgeable enough about economic matters to manage the economy himself. What we have now is an economy without direction. We are getting deeper and deeper into debt. We are fighting a war that we can't afford to fight. We don't even know how much it will cost. At least with Democrats, if they are giving away free lunches to poor students, there is at least some hope that the poor students can turn out to be better citizens and help the economy grow - even though the money can better be used invested in other areas. We know that Karl Rove is the architect on the political side. Who is the architect of our current economic policy? Do we have one? Who is it and what is it?

To: carranza2 who wrote (107601)	4/4/2005 2:25:49 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793895

Ah, on Josh Marshall first of all. Josh has been wrong and, no doubt, will be wrong in the future. If, however, the measure of whether we are worth listening to is that we are always right, no one could afford to listen to anyone. So did Marshall get some things wrong? Most certainly. But on the more specific question of whether that particular post indicates he was wrong in writing approvingly of the Nelson report stuff, that's a bit more dicey. Part of it is simply observations about what was happening in the WH. Who knows whether that was right or wrong? Certainly not you and I. The other part is whether if the US turned security over to the Iraqis after June 30th in 04, all would go down the tubes in some sort of civil war, that prediction, we'll never know. Because the US didn't do that. Perhaps it would have; perhaps it would not have. As for the larger question, you are no doubt waving around, the prediction that Iraq would turn out bad, that's another one we simply don't know the answer about yet. As for your rant about Krugman, rant on. It is what it is. However, if you ever get interested in not-ranting, you might read the book he put together of the first set of NYTimes columns. They are eerily prescient.