To: E. Charters who wrote (6277 ) 4/4/2005 2:08:51 PM From: marcos Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8273 We've got power and phone here, dug it in years ago when clearing the building site ... just didn't put in cable, who knew they'd run it up this road in a million years ... so now to put it in means digging up the whole How Green Is My Valley effect that took a lot of time and energy and patience to produce ... or, put in ugly poles, yecch But there was once a piece of land ... landlocked, all forestry blocks around it, and some of them crown, enough to prevent a road for many decades if not forever ... it was a forestry block itself, and was being logged and flogged by an acquaintance, i could have had it before it was completely nuked, maybe twenty per cent stocked overall ... beautiful place, several building sites with panoramic views, right near acres of good soil, and cheap even for the time, for what it was, but would have been a stretch for me, required complete life change ... thought about it a lot, still do ... anyway, lack of grid power and phone was a factor, would have turned making a living into a more difficult project than it is already ... it's not just the cost of that independent stuff, it's the time it takes from your day Not long after that, the daughter of a friend went into business with a young engineer, selling solar and wind systems ... he was a very smart kid, could have set up a turnkey system for dummies at less than previous cost, still expensive and low power though, but had i known him before, the decision might have been different That piece is now worth ten times what it was, aargh ... but, couldn't have sold it anyway, by now it would have become Home More solar energy hits the earth in one day than all energy in all the oil man has ever pumped .... read that somewhere, likely Canadian Geographic .... wind is just slightly indirect solar energy of course, as is hydro ... wood even, is concentrated solar