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To: LindyBill who wrote (107882)4/5/2005 2:39:18 PM
From: Lane3  Respond to of 793955
 
But we have stat after stat coming in now from areas that have gone to open carry that crime has decreased.

What about stats re accidental shootings?

Or, perhaps, to you.

I really don't have a clue. It's just so totally outside my experience that I'm open to arguments on both sides. It seems to me that the onus is on those who want to change the status quo to provide a persuasive argument. And my confidence is eroded by nonsense explanations.

I'm not sure that folks who want to introduce gun carry consider the difference in culture. I grew up in JohnM's part of the world. It ain't Idaho. There is no gun culture (except for the mob <g>). I had an uncle by marriage who moved his family to Montana nearly forty years ago because hunting and trapping were no longer practicable in NJ. And that was decades removed from today. That's the closest I ever came to a gun culture. You don't just put guns into the hands of people like that.

I've told the story on SI before about how I learned to ride a bicycle at age 42. I got so that I could go straight pretty well so I tried turning. I simply turned the handle bars. Go ahead and laugh, but I had no idea that you were supposed to lean instead. And although I got to where I was riding about twenty miles a day, even to and from work in the city, I never had the command of a bike that someone born on one would have had.

At the very least, I would think that it would be prudent to go slowly, issuing permits selectively at first.



To: LindyBill who wrote (107882)4/5/2005 4:36:52 PM
From: JohnM  Respond to of 793955
 
This will never be "proof" enough to someone like JohnM.

I'm waiting for some. All you and Mike have offered so far are two variable illustrations. We need to get the two of you enrolled in a basic social science methods class.