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To: Ilaine who wrote (107894)	4/5/2005 4:43:01 PM
From: aladin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793914

CB, If you separate out the murders caused by the ghetto-dwellers I've been talking about, the US murder rate is lower than that of Western Europe. Just to be a contrarian (not that I have ever done that before!), Europe has recreated its own Ghetto's! After cleaning them all out in the 40's they now exist in London, Paris and Berlin again. Only this time they are Muslim and other 3rd world refugee based rather than Jewish. I suspect (from observance in France and England), that if you take out the European Ghetto stats - you will get substantially different results. Basically Ghetto's = crime (although this was not the case in the old Jewish Ghetto's). John

To: Ilaine who wrote (107894)	4/6/2005 8:41:02 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793914

It's as plain as day here in DC -- the Washington Post has even done graphics showing it -- overlay the blocks where the murders take place with the racial makeup and demographics, and the correlation is extremely strong. It is not that simple. There are too many variables that you would have to control in order to come up with any definitive answers. 1. Skin color 2. Genetics 3. Ethnicity 4. Poverty 5. Availability of illegal drugs 6. Business and employment opportunities 7. Church attendance 8. family composition 9. Community infracstructure (school systems, recreational facilities, health care availability, etc). 10. and perhaps a few hundred other variables that I can not think of for the moment. But, gun ownership and the consequences can be quantified and controlled (for study purposes).