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Gold/Mining/Energy : PEAK OIL - The New Y2K or The Beginning of the Real End? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Mahatmabenfoo who wrote (253)	4/5/2005 11:10:54 PM
From: kryptonic6	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1183

"But the paranoid view is of COURSE our government is fully aware of the challenges of peak oil" I think it's important to make a distinction here. Just because some individuals within the U.S. government understand Peak Oil doesn't mean the entire government knows. Both Richard Heinberg and Mike Ruppert have addressed evidence that CIA has known about Peak Oil since the 1970's. See: 'Smoking Gun: The CIA's Interest in Peak Oil' by Richard Heinberg museletter.com and www.fromthewilderness.com and Ex-CIA Chief Predicted 'Peak' Oil Crisis in 1999 CFR Paper btinternet.com Having that said, I don't think the average politician has a clue about peak oil (senators and congressmen included). Probably wouldn't fit their political agenda anyway. Cheney certainly knows, but I don't even want to get into that. Jay Hanson had a hilarious thing to say about this in an interview a couple years back: Q: Yes, why is it that people who seem to be ecologically aware, and they are sort of left-wing types, and they don’t like the establishment, - why are those kinds of people so utterly resistant to the idea and implications of depletion? A: I think they are more interested in their political agendas. How do you get money to sell a bad message? You go up to somebody and you say 'You know, your kids are going to be dying in the gutter in ten years’, they are going to turn around and go the other way. They won’t want to talk to you, won’t want anything to do with you. They’re mad at you, you’re bad… You can’t sell that kind of stuff. wordwright.com.au I think that genetics is more to blame for our current predicament than anything else. By chance, I was in the middle of an evolutionary biology course at University when i first found out about peak oil, which i feel has given me a great advantage. I was already familiar with Dawkin's 'Selfish Gene' and a lot of evolutionary psychology stuff. Jay Hanson has spent a lot of time analyzing the evolutionary biological aspects of the human condition. What it boils down to is that its the act of GETTING stuff that makes us feel good (not simply having stuff), and thats why we will never VOLUNTARILY commit to a huge reduction in complexity or standard of lifestyle. I would encourage you to read this in its entirety (by Jay Hanson): groups.yahoo.com "I developed an interest in "sustainability" about fifteen years ago when it became clear to me that our present economic system was totally unsustainable and self-destructive. It seemed little more than a well-organized method for converting natural resources into garbage." In fact, I think i'm just going to post the whole thing for everyone to see. Also, I agree 100% with everything you wrote in your first post. You've offered some of the most insightful commentary on this board to date - glad to have you here. Ray Duray is another regular that I haven't talked to in a bit. A great guy and also involved in awareness/activism. Jesse