To: The Philosopher who wrote (31740 ) 4/6/2005 1:49:23 AM From: Lazarus_Long Respond to of 90947 I'll buy that. Do PVS Patients Suffer? Another disputed issue is whether or not PVS patients experience pain and suffering. Paul Schotsmans, a Dutch medical ethicist, notes that if PVS patients do experience pain this "would fundamentally change the discussion of the withdrawal or withholding of nutrition and hydration."[40] He cites a book by "French neurologists, reanimation specialists, nurses and ethicists" which documents that medical opinion is clearly divided on this issue.[41] Yet this same author concludes that the pain of being in PVS would be "more burdensome and more prolonged" than any pain experienced while dying after the withdrawal of food and fluids.[42] In spite of his earlier claim, the possibility of PVS patients experiencing pain did not change Schotsmans' view.[43] xenos.org and thenAll diagnoses are intended to compress information - to carry in a name an etiology, or a treatment, or a course. A diagnosis of PVS carries no information about etiology, and arises only after the failure of treatment; it does, however, incorporate a large element of prognosis. A typical recent article on the ethics on withdrawal of life support describes PVS as a condition where patients * are considered to have permanently lost the function of their cerebral cortex. ... All voluntary reactions or behavioral responses reflecting consciousness, volition or emotion at the cerebral cortical level are absent. ...there is no observable experience of pain or suffering. ... They remain permanently unaware... (5) thalidomide.ca Without her feeding tube or water, and barring legal intervention, Schiavo probably has less than two weeks to live. But in a vegetative state, does she feel hunger, thirst or pain? "As a neurologist, I would say no," said Smith. sfgate.com ButDR. RONALD CRANFORD, UNIV. OF MN NEUROLOGIST: I'm extremely confident. I think at the time of the trial in 2002 there had been eight neurologists who examined her. And of those eight neurologists total, seven of them said beyond any doubt whatsoever Terri is in a vegetative state. Her CT scan shows severe atrophy or shrinkage of the brain. Her EEG is flat and there's absolutely no doubt that she's been in a permanent vegetative state ever since 1990. There's no doubt whatsoever, Dan. msnbc.msn.com which certainly indicate failure of a large number of brain centers. Who the heqq knows for sure? Message 21201013 Got an answer for Bill?