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To: Suma who wrote (228292)4/8/2005 9:52:00 AM
From: Peter Dierks  Respond to of 1571205
 
Thanks. I had never realized that AlterNet was out there. It may even be to the left of Barbara Streisand. She complained that the far left biased former mainstream media was too conservative. The story lost any credibility when it was published by them.

It was believed because it fit the preconceptions of those policy makers.

Now that sounds like the hero of the left, Dan Rather Biased. Symmetry is beautiful, criticize the right, but pretend the left can do no wrong.

it’s being taken as conventional wisdom that there really wasn’t any pressure by policy makers on the analytical process itself. And that’s just simply not true. It’s simply not true because analysts, generally, are like anyone else. They are concerned about their careers, their futures. Many of them are ambitious. If they understand that a dissenting opinion against the conventional policy wisdom is heard, that it’s going to affect their careers. There was a chilled environment in which to express any kind of opposite opinion.

Translation: there was pressure to produce preconceived results because we say there was. We don't need any evidence, because, well, there just must have been.

Well, Ambassador Wilson publicly refuted the claims — particularly the 16 words in the President’s State of the Union address that the Iraqis were trying to buy significant quantities of uranium from Niger.

Translation: We cannot hang our whole story on the liar, so we'll just slip his accusation in hoping no one will notice.

North Korea is an example where we don’t know in the U.S. government how many weapons they may have. There are estimates which range from four — which is the last one I’ve seen at the CIA — to 14, which comes out of DIA. That’s a huge disparity in estimate. And it just really tells you that we just don’t have solid information. And when you don’t, how do you devise a rational policy to deal with those countries.

Translation: Another area where intelligence is known to be spotty we can criticize the administration on; whoopie. Then they deflect the real problem which is that NK is believed to have an unacceptable number of nuclear warheads, greater than zero. They imply that rouge regimes with fourteen warheads should be handled significantly differently than ones with 4, or 1. Nice attempt at spin.

I will be happy to have a reasoned discussion. But this is not the basis to start one.



To: Suma who wrote (228292)4/8/2005 10:50:53 AM
From: Alighieri  Respond to of 1571205
 
But the first cut of the information was passed to the DIA, not to the CIA. That’s the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s intelligence collection unit. And that information then was disseminated by DIA to the CIA. So the CIA never had any direct access to Curveball, a codename provided by the Germans to this defector source. The interesting thing to me is that the only DIA analyst who ever met with Curveball — who went to Germany and was given access to him — came back with an assessment which was very, very negative.

Does anyone actually still believe that, despite all the cock and bull commissions, the administration did not cook the story to fit their war goals?

Al



To: Suma who wrote (228292)4/8/2005 6:40:05 PM
From: steve harris  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1571205
 
lol,

"Live from the left coast...."