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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (160432)	4/14/2005 12:01:06 AM
From: Orcastraiter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

None of the victims of US torture that I know about had any knowledge of any suicide bombers. So that argument cannot be used universally as the reason to engage in torture. Obviously the threshold for engaging in torture was, and is likely much lower than the manager of suicide bombers scenario. If I suspected that I was in possession of someone that had information regarding an impending bombing, and many experts in interrogation agree, that torture would not be useful. There are however other methods of interrogation, including the use of sodium pentathol which are more humane, and are generally accepted by experts in interrogation as effective. Just because you torture someone does not mean that you will get the information you're looking for. In fact the torturee will likely lie to you. How do you know if he's lying or telling the truth? Can you point to any authoritative source that says torture is a reliable way to interrogate? I don't think it's been shown to be useful...so therefore why are we engaging in it? While at the same time that Bush is telling the world that Saddam's torture chambers and rape rooms is reason for us to invade...the US is engaged in the same kinds of behavior. It's unfathomable. Orca

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (160432)	4/14/2005 11:29:05 AM
From: trouthead	Respond to of 281500

It is wrong to torture. Even if you're the good guys. Regardless of the stakes you're actions should always be beyond reproach. If they are not then you only add fuel to the fire of your enemies. "See we told you the americans were dogs." You may lose some lives in the short run, but in the long run truth will out. It is the same reason you never deal with kidnappers. If you pay them you make more kidnappers. When you use the tactics and the ethics of fanatics you create more fanatics. jb