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To: michael97123 who wrote (160465)	4/14/2005 2:11:20 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

If you don't know anything about torture, maybe you should read up on it before endorsing it. There's plenty of reading material out there on torture. It's been used a lot- mostly by repressive governments. No one is "safe" anywhere. You can die from the flu, get whacked on the head by space debris, get struck by lightening, die from a bee sting, or get killed by a terrorist (the odds are against it, though.) So how much do you want to change this society to prevent what so far is a fairly rare risk of death? It's not about angels on pins, it's about risk assessment, and how much of the constitution you want to throw out to prevent what is, at this time, not a great risk.

To: michael97123 who wrote (160465)	4/14/2005 2:45:30 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Re: "Please spare me the bull. No one gives a damn about the 3000 who died at the trade center. As long as you are safe whereever the hell you live, you could care less. Effete intellecutals discussing how many angels on the head of a pin is what we have here at FADG." Mike, that sentiment marks you as one of the most dangerous men in America. Dangerous because there are so many of you who feel that way. In times of fear, anger and grief, those who are able to find the correct path are those who are still calm and intelligent enough to discuss "how many angels [can dance] on the head of a pin." Because, morals aside, the problems which lead to 9/11 types of incidents are no longer solvable by charging into the tents, killing the squaws and bucks, and dashing the brains of the papooses out againt tree trunks. And that's true no matter how many times good but scared-angry people try to justify barbaric patterns of behavior as necessary for "self defense." Ed PS. On another subject, Jlallen, isn't it time for you to start up again with your cryptic hints that you're a wounded combat veteran? I'm still waiting for the "attorney action hero" figure to gain in popularity. Too funny. Now why don't you stop poking sticks at smart people and leave them to discuss things intelligently before you make an utter fool of yourself again.