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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (160467)	4/14/2005 3:01:28 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Nadine regarding your statement that: "The example of physical pressure that I used was sleep deprivation. Do you call that torture? The experts do not. Maybe I'm confused. Possibly you could describe to me what "interrogators" would be able to do to prevent someone from sleeping after days of sleep deprivation? Do they tap them gently and say "wake up you silly goose, you know you're not supposed to sleep?" I don't know about you, but it would take some pretty extreme measures to keep me awake after 2-3 days of no-sleep? I'd guess it would take pain, or music so loud that my brain rang with the horrible volume of the noise, or extreme cold, or something similarly unpleasant. I've also read that some of the "not considered by us to be torture" methods often leave people psychologically damaged for decades, and maybe for the rest of their lives. All this to put someone in a state where they'll tell you anything, true or not? But then better to kill 9 innocent men than to let one guilty go free, right? Not in my name. Ed

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (160467)	4/14/2005 5:09:16 PM
From: Orcastraiter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

It is not a nice business, getting information from criminals and terrorists. When police question criminals, they routinely threaten and lie to them. They tell them they will be charged with capital murder and get the death penalty. They tell them their buddy has already turned snitch whether it's true or not. They pretend sympathy and and understanding in an effort to get the criminals to explain their motives for the crime. They insult the criminals in an effort to get them to lose control in rage. They threaten to arrest their mothers and girlfriends as accessories. They tell them that if they don't talk now to Mr. Good Cop, Mr. Bad Cop is going to lose control and beat them to a pulp. None of this qualifies as 'torture' but it still involves extreme duress and is not a nice business at all. LOL...and you know this from what? Watching Law and Order on TV? Sleep deprivation could be torture. How do you keep someone from falling asleep? It'd take hours...just to get him/her in the sleep deprived mode. In your scenario where you only have two hours to thwart the bombing...sleep deprivation wouldn't be of much use anyway. Since these terrorists have been told that the US is the ugly enemy it is all they know. By torturing them you simply reinforce what they have been taught already. Most terrorists are from poor backgrounds, poor countries. The best life they have known is in the terrorist camps. Now what if they find after being captured that the Americans are not the evil dogs they were led to believe? Perhaps a cup of tea, a warm bath and a hearty meal along with some caring conversation would yield more information then chasing the lot of them around the cell naked with your broom wearing your black spiked heels and red striped leggings. Orca