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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (160501)	4/14/2005 5:49:40 PM
From: Bill	Respond to of 281500

True or not, the instances where torture would be considered vital to the safety of U.S. citizens would likely be rare. Consequently, the issue is probably not worth a national debate.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (160501)	4/23/2005 9:49:54 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Respond to of 281500

That's not true. The Israelis, who know in great detail whom they are dealing with, have had 'ticking bomb' interrogations to deal with several times. Suicide bombers never act alone. I wonder if there are any documented cases where torture was succesfully applied and innocent lives were saved. Compare that with the number of people that have been tortured. My guess is that millions of people have been tortured since the beginning of time. Many of the tortured have been innocent people. The number of lives that have been saved are miniscule. I have nothing to base that on. As a practical matter, I would probably recommend that torture does not take place ever - but that it could only take place with the approval at the highest level - - like with the President or someone on the supreme court. Like you would need a very high level of authority to shoot down a civilian airplane loaded with civilian passengers. You can't delegate that responsibility.