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To: TobagoJack who wrote (62068)	4/16/2005 9:23:06 AM
From: brian h	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

""""""What must inevitably be is that Taiwan and China were one and will be one again, else China's progress on all spheres will be for naught. Whether reunification happens by force or voting by wallet and pattering of feet does not change the "What Must Inevitably Be". The route to "What Must Inevitably Be" is in fact at the choice of the folks living on Taiwan, and they are voting, everyday, with their wallet and feet, and once per so often, ballots."""""" Wrong. You presumption is wrong and all the way wrong. Taiwanese and other natinals have many place to go beside China if China did not act professionally. The issue here is China CCP how they behave and act to their own people inside and internationally. And those Chinese who represent China inside and outside China. Their past records were not impreesive at all. Hence our disagreement about your "just is" vs others have to fight to get it. Good stuffs will not come easily in China. "Going back door" is not a long term solution for succeeding in China or elsewhere. BH

To: TobagoJack who wrote (62068)	4/16/2005 11:39:24 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

What must inevitably be is that Taiwan and China were one and will be one again, else China's progress on all spheres will be for naught. Horse puckey. This is a matter of pride/face for the CCP, but the CCP and the Chinese people are NOT the same thing. I know many many Chinese people who have voted with their feet. They tell me that the CCP are murderous thugs. I know some Chinese people who remain within the reach of the CCP and/or do business with them. They LOVE the CCP. Yeah, right. Whatever. And yes, I did "ask" you, because you were part of the discussion, including jumping in and responding to posts that I did not make directly to you. Your responses are predictable drivel. If the day ever comes when the CCP aren't around to make your life miserable, I think your responses will be more honest. I like to think that, at any rate, and nothing you say will now convince me otherwise. I think you're afraid, and smart, and doing the right thing for your well-being and that of your family and friends. Sorry you have to live like that. My advice to you is that if you can get rid of them, do it. Don't keep propping them up, they're too stupid and too dangerous, and nekulturny barbarians. You've only got one life to live. Sucking up to murderous thugs is not the way to live. But if you're trying to find out what Bush would do if China decides to attack Taiwan -- I don't think you're going to like it.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (62068)	4/16/2005 11:47:19 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<What must inevitably be is that Taiwan and China were one and will be one again, else China's progress on all spheres will be for naught.> Huh? China has made progress having hired black and white cats and CDMA. What difference would Taiwan make on the certificate of title? If Taiwan remained forever offshore, I don't see how that would render the gains already made, enjoyed and re-invested of no effect. Hordes of people in China are vastly better off than 2 decades ago. None of that goes away because Taiwan stays separate. I've mentioned the analogy of New Zealand with Australia several times. It was part of Oz, now it's not. So what? Nothing much changes. Except that Oz told NZers to get lost because swarms of Hong Kongese and Taiwanese were escaping those wonderlands, coming to NZ, becoming citizens, scoring the passport, then moving to Oz, which was the actual target. The dopey NZ government thought it was cool to get swarms of immigrants, who bled the taxpayers for education costs, benefits, free roads, free water [built by me] only to move on once the goal was achieved. Oz didn't want a bar of it. I'd have allowed them in to NZ, selling passports immediately, by having say 10,000 new citizenships for sale per year, to the highest bidders [with no AIDS, criminal record etc]. Those citizenships would be a tradeable commodity, so that if they decide it's a dud place, or they simply want to move on, they could sell them on the open market, recovering their investment and even a profit. Such a market would make politicians more careful about doing things which reduced the price. Taiwan isn't part of China, it's irrelevant that it was part of some ancient Kingdom or Absolute Emperor's fiefdom. It won't negate progress China has made if it remains separate. Not that it is remaining separate, because like NZ with Oz, investments, people and trade flows are increasing rapidly across the ditch. Mqurice