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Gold/Mining/Energy : PEAK OIL - The New Y2K or The Beginning of the Real End? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Jurgis Bekepuris who wrote (377)	4/19/2005 7:29:57 PM
From: Triffin	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1183

Guys .. Aren't we barking up the wrong tree here ?? If you asked me for a wild guess on what alternatives will be used and how, I would say that we will switch to natural gas -> coal -> nuclear fission -> nuclear fusion. The coming energy crisis is not going to affect the way we produce electricity .... What the heck are we going to use for vehicular transport fuel ????? It's gasoline/diesel/ fuel oil that we're going to have to replace .. Nat gas/coal/ new nukes/geothermal etc don't directly address an alternative to transport fuels .. Personally, I see eventual conversion to all electric or hybrid-electric ( using compressed air/ hydraulics/ regenerative braking technologies ) rather than hydrocarbon based hybrids .. Also .. lots of new nukes .. High temperature gas reactors ( Google pebble-bed ) and 3rd and 4th generation water cooled reactors .. Hydrogen .. maybe someday .. but not in the short run .. Triff ..

To: Jurgis Bekepuris who wrote (377)	4/19/2005 9:30:43 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1183

Jurgis, As far as North America is concerned, we've already hit Hubbert's Peak, as of a couple years ago. So there is no good reason to think we'll find an easy exit from rising oil prices there. LNG development, when they do come on line, will only hold the line against catastophic pressure drops in the natural gas pipeline systems of North America. They cannot ever provide a surplus.

To: Jurgis Bekepuris who wrote (377)	4/19/2005 11:31:18 PM
From: Mahatmabenfoo	Respond to of 1183

Matt Simmons has the view that many seemingly wild alternatives could save us -- ideas that might take 30 years to show a return such as deep space harvesting of solar energy; and harnessing the energy of the deep earth (magma, maybe?). I understand the problem -- how in a time of dwindling energy do we try to seek alternatives, then convert, and survive in the meantime. The task could be impossible, or not, but the biggest problem is no one is persuing it; at least not with cash, and big organized public plans. Matt Simmons is a fascinating character -- a Republican who claims Bush knows all about Peak oil (and really did go into Iraq out of concern about weapons of mass destruction). And yet Simmons is as Peak Oil as it gets. globalpublicmedia.com - tilyou1@yahoo.com