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To: ManyMoose who wrote (101593)4/22/2005 8:31:02 AM
From: JeffA  Respond to of 108807
 
One reason why hunting wild game is superior to eating farm bred meat is that wild animals are free of growth hormones and antibiotics

And deer rabbit and squirrel taste good!



To: ManyMoose who wrote (101593)4/22/2005 7:15:04 PM
From: Grainne  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 108807
 
Mulesing is done in Australia. Merino sheep--the sheep that settlers brought to Australia (and New Zealand--are more suited for cool weather climates like Scotland. In warm weather maggots attach to them near their back ends, the most attractive place for flies. Instead of choosing another kind of sheep and starting over, the farmers cut these huge chunks of flesh off of all the lambs, so scar tissue forms and wool doesn't grow there. This is the practice that causes a 72-day healing process. Many of the lambs don't survive. They are in shock, and in immense pain. The farmers are unwilling to take any economic loss, so I don't think they are receptive to changing their practices. Almost all of the wool you wear is made from Merino sheep. Also all the other sheepskin products like slippers and seat covers that are sold in America most likely come from these sheep. If you absolutely must wear wool, woven wool products from the British Isles countries are more likely made from their domestic sheep. After enduring mulesing and the barbaric ruthless Australia and New Zealand sheep farmers, when then their productive life is gone these sheep are put on huge ships without adequate food and water, crowded together without the flocks they came from where they made friends, and shipped off to Middle Eastern markets where there throats are slit ritualistically, after an ordeal of several months. A lot of them die on the way, though.

We could get away from using animal products if we were interested in doing that. There are alternatives for almost everything. Can you name an animal product with no alternative that is absolutely vital to your continuing to lead your life? I really like Chee-tos! And Cheez-Its! And Reese's peanut butter cups! But I do not like them so much that I think it is more important for me to eat them than to live as a vegan, and these foods contain milk, butter and cheese.

Most people use the products they do because they frankly are more selfish than idealistic.

There is a lot of interest in boycotting Australian sheep. PETA has a growing list of retailers who are no longer buying these wool products. This is an interesting letter from an Indian politician who is Mohatma Gandhi's granddaughter dealing with the mulesing/death boat mess:

Maneka Gandhi Urges Boycott of Aussie Wool
Member of Indian Parliament Maneka Gandhi has written to 250 Indian companies asking that they stop using Australian wool until two abuses of Australian sheep, "mulesing" (live flaying) and exporting live sheep overseas, are ended. Gandhi and PETA are seeking an end to these cruel practices. India is the fifth-largest export customer of Australian wool. Gandhi's letter is the latest salvo in PETA's campaign against this cruel treatment.

In response to MP Maneka Gandhi's letter, Don Banfield, deputy secretary of the Australian Department of Agriculture, immediately sent Gandhi what she calls a "panicky letter" that defends these abusive practices. Gandhi fired back stating, "I am afraid that I find the practice of mulesing indefensible, especially when 20-30 per cent of your farmers do not do it and do just as well" and that "none of ['the cosmetic improvements'] will substantially reduce or eliminate the unacceptable suffering and death that occur during live export." She further stated, "I must reiterate my position that there is an immediate need for a ban on mulesing and live exports. Failing this, I am afraid there is a great need for our Indian public to be educated on the enormous cruelties practiced on sheep in your country—which may be supported by our buying public."

PETA launched the Australian wool boycott late last year after the Australian government ignored repeated pleas to ban live sheep exports, in which thousands of sheep die each year, and to end mulesing, a crude attempt to prevent flystrike (flies laying eggs in the animals' skin) in which farmers use gardening shears to cut large chunks of flesh from live lambs' hindquarters despite the availability of humane alternatives. Prestigious U.S. retailer Abercrombie & Fitch was the first to join the boycott. J.Crew and U.K.-based New Look have announced that they will not knowingly sell cruelly obtained Australian wool, and the U.K.'s George is the latest to give assurances that the company will not purchase Australian wool from farmers who practice mulesing. PETA launched a campaign in December to persuade another international retailer, Benetton, to agree to boycott Australian wool.

When their wool is no longer needed, millions of Australian sheep are shipped thousands of miles through all weather extremes, mired in their own waste, aboard multitiered "death ships" bound for the Middle East, where their throats are slit while they are fully conscious. The Cormo Express disaster in 2003 captured international headlines as more than 5,000 sheep died at sea.

"Indians are a gentle people. We do not need the blood of Australian sheep on our hands, but everyone who buys/sells Australian merino wool and its products is contributing to these horrific practices," wrote Gandhi in her letter to Indian companies. "Please let me know that you will immediately refuse to use Australian wool. ... Together, we can help put a stop to immeasurable suffering."

savethesheep.com



To: ManyMoose who wrote (101593)4/22/2005 7:23:35 PM
From: Grainne  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 108807
 
It is true that hunting wild game is superior to eating farm-bred meat because wild animals are free of growth hormones and antibiotics. But if we all hunted our meat, I suspect that quite a big percentage of people would be repulsed. Can you imagine how many children would demand Mc Nuggets if they had to slay the chicken first? So actually I am totally supportive of this idea of procuring meat. Another thing you might consider is that meat is an entirely unnecessary protein source for humans, and has unhealthy properties beyond antibiotics and growth hormones.

Incidentally, are you following this story about the tainted deer meat that was served at a dinner? I was fascinated by it. I know I wouldn't eat deer!:

Health officials to wait and watch humans exposed to deer disease

Apr. 17, 2005

Provided by: Canadian Press
Written by: WILLIAM KATES

SYRACUSE, N.Y. (AP) - After 350 people at a sportsman's dinner ate venison from sick deer, a scientist says now is the time to launch a study to determine if the fatal chronic wasting disease could spread to humans who ingest infected meat.

Chronic wasting disease - CWD - was detected earlier this month in two private captive deer herds in central New York's Oneida County, the first time it was found outside the Midwest or Rocky Mountains.

Scientists say they're still learning about CWD and can't say for sure if it could be transmitted to humans, but state and local health officials say they have no plans to study the people who ate the meat last month.

That's a missed opportunity, said an animal disease expert with the International Society for Infectious Diseases.

"Currently, the disease and the speculation surrounding the disease far out reaches any real science about the disease," said Tam Garland, a professor of veterinary medicine at Texas A&M University.

"New York has the opportunity to do an epidemiological study . . . Seldom are we presented with such an opportunity to study humans," Garland said.

One of the infected deer from Oneida County was served at an annual banquet March 13 at the Verona Fire Department.

The Oneida County Health Department made a list of those who attended the dinner and sent them letters to give them accurate information about CWD and reassure them it does not pose a health risk to humans, said Ken Fanelli, a department spokesman.

About 70 people called the county health department after getting the letter, Fanelli said.

"No one was particularly concerned or fearful," he said. "Most just wanted more information."

The venison was served in steak, chili, stew, sausage and meat patties, health officials said. No organs or bone product from the deer was served, the parts scientists test when looking for signs of CWD.

State health department spokesman Robert Kenny said although no medical studies are planned, the list prepared by the county health department will allow officials to quickly locate and contact the people if the need arises.

In 2004, scientists at the federal Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta issued a study on CWD that stressed the absence of any evidence linking it to humans. Authors, though, acknowledged the study was limited in geography and sample size and so it couldn't draw a conclusion about the risk to humans. They recommended more study.

Dr. Ermias Belay was the report's principal author but he said New York and Oneida County officials are following the proper course by not launching a study.

"There's really nothing to monitor presently. No one's sick," Belay said, noting the disease's incubation period in deer and elk is measured in years. "This was one carcass, one meal. It was an animal without symptoms. If it becomes an issue, if other studies suggest there is a risk, we have a list to go back to."

In New York, authorities have so far confirmed five infected captive deer. The state Department of Environmental Conservation is testing the wild deer population in Oneida and Hamilton counties to determine if the disease has spread beyond the two domestic herds. They are killing about 450 wild deer in central and northern New York to test for the disease.

medbroadcast.com