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To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (101596)	4/22/2005 3:21:16 AM
From: Yaacov	Respond to of 108807

I can appreciate the fact that your a sex starved frusterated and ignoratn woman but your comments on mass murder of 6 million Jews is not appreciated, now you belong to the same bunch of rif-rafs that belongs to be locked-up for your own saftey! From: Grainne 4/21/2005 6:35:55 PM Read Replies (5) of 101596 "Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughter houses." -Ingrid Newkirk, President, PETA, The Washington Post, November 13, 1983. To: Grainne who wrote (101494) 4/21/2005 7:50:17 PM From: Bill Read Replies (1) of 101596 I wonder what a Holocaust survivor or next-of-kin would think about someone from PETA comparing them to chickens, essentially agreeing with Hitler that Jews are less than human.

To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (101596)	4/22/2005 6:14:21 PM
From: Grainne	Respond to of 108807

No, she wasn't equating chickens with Jews, unless is is in the most benign way, questioning why chickens deserve to be treated like that. She is trying to up the status of chickens, shock us into realizing they are individuals with feelings and suffer greatly. She is not trying to denigrate Jews. It is so frustrating to attempt to change people's perceptions, and such a long process. The animal rights movement acts like any other revolution, if you want to analyze it that. Statements like that are designed to startle people, to shake their reality. Chickens, and meat animals in America, are treated like Holocaust victimes--even worse--and yet most people think it is perfectly fine to do that. There is another way of looking at animals, more compassionately, but something has to get your attention in order to start that new awareness. In 1975, if someone had told you that in thirty years, smoking would be almost illegal in public, and in some places not even in the beach or at parks, would that have seemed logical to you? It would not have to me. In 1975 many people smoked, and right at their desks at work and in buses and airplanes and restaurants. I think that is sort of like the animal rights movement, in the sense that right now to most people it seems absurd to look at animals as having rights. But in 30 years it may be totally normal. Movements start small but somehow eventually a change in public consciousness can occur, and then they move very fast. And it is not just animals who would benefit from being treated better. This is an extremely violent and insensitive society. Teaching compassion for animals as a spiritual belief would go far in changing values towards violence in general, I think. People who come to believe that killing and eating an animal is wrong carry that viewpoint into all their transactions. The work being done in prisons now where inmates care for dogs and help train them to be service animals is another example of how learning compassion for animals translates into people being more connected and loving, and less violent in their lives in general. Don't you think out of respect you might at least capitalize the word jews, incidentally? I know you like the all lower case style, but it looks really irreverent to me. But I am not giving you advice--I don't like that kind of advice myself. My eye just caught it and it seemed startling.