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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (160945)	4/23/2005 5:06:21 PM
From: marcos	Respond to of 281500

The 'overall situation' is the same as the context, which we've been over and over, the context is that zionists have crossed the sea to take arab lands, which they occupy to this day Yes, everything takes place within that 'overall situation', which is rather the point, it does not aid you in promoting your Excludostaat project ... you would do better to avoid the overall situation as much as possible, and break it up into bits you find more manageable, for instance beginning all history in 1947 or some similarly convenient date ... oh wait, you already do that ... well never mind then ... big garden day today here anyway, takes priority over typing ... cheers ' One of the earlier Zionists to warn against these ideas was Ahad Ha'am, who warned in his 1891 essay "Truth from Eretz Israel" that in Palestine "it is hard to find tillable land that is not already tilled", and moreover; "From abroad we are accustomed to believing that the Arabs are all desert savages, like donkeys, who neither see nor understand what goes on around them. But this is a big mistake... The Arabs, and especially those in the cities, understand our deeds and our desires in Eretz Israel, but they keep quiet and pretend not to understand, since they do not see our present activities as a threat to their future... However, if the time comes when the life of our people in Eretz Israel develops to the point of encroaching upon the native population, they will not easily yield their place." ' en.wikipedia.org ... 1891 eh, how about that, that was only nine years into the process