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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (230499)4/24/2005 9:36:29 AM
From: SilentZ  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573740
 
>Post-modernism is desperately trying to make religion more of a "private thing." Not a good thing if you want religion to be exposed to public scrutiny.

And the right-wing is trying to make it more public.

>Most Americans still believe in God.

But the fact that most Americans believe in the concept or need to doesn't make it true.

>Atheism has offered nothing but false promises of freedom and enlightment.

So?

-Z



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (230499)4/24/2005 2:46:26 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573740
 
Well, you know, this is what's going to happen if religion becomes more and more a public thing -- its underlying tenets are going to be scrutinized, and I don't think it can hold up.

a) Post-modernism is desperately trying to make religion more of a "private thing." Not a good thing if you want religion to be exposed to public scrutiny.


Huh? That's not how it looks. If we are in a "Post modern" period whatever that means, it is trying to make religion a more public thing where the state and church are more closely intertwined.

b) Most Americans still believe in God. I'd wager most Europeans do as well, or at least in the supernatural. That points to a deep spiritual need within humans, even among those living in the post-modern world.

It also may simply be a wishful manifestation of the ego. Believing that there id something that allows for our continuity......eternal life.

c) Atheism has offered nothing but false promises of freedom and enlightment. What it actually leads to is either the worst horrors mankind could ever imagine, or the depressive state of nihilism and meaninglessness. Both outcomes are described by Nietzsche as "The Will to Power" and "The Will to Nihilism," respectively.

Z claims to be an atheist. I can not imagine that that will lead the people around him to some "horror" or "some depressive state of nihilism and............". Do you?

ted



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (230499)4/25/2005 2:42:27 PM
From: TigerPaw  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573740
 
Both outcomes are described by Nietzsche

Actually you report on depressed people writing about atheism. Most athiests don't spend much time thinking about religion one way or the other. Consequently they don't write about it either. They have just as many moments of joy or sorrow, epiphanies of ideas, every other emotion, it just doesn't revolve around some supernatural concept.