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To: sylvester80 who wrote (160970)	4/27/2005 2:57:52 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Orthodox sect that opposes zionism has little in common with your left wing view. You detest the very orthodox for other reasons, no? But you use their biblical interpetation for your own benefit. I am neither a zionist or anti-zionist. I understand how WW2 and its aftermath (denial of mass immigration to the US) led to a neo-zionist movement because there was nowhere the hell else to go. You as a Jew (if that is true) should know this. Jews were driven out of europe and only realistic alternative turned most down. So neo-zionism led to israel. Was this fair to arabs on the ground there back then? Were there peaceful ways to resolve this conumdrum? Did Jews make grievous mistakes? Could arabs have reacted more productively? I am sure the answer to all of these questions is yes. Do i care, No? Because that all happened 60-80 years ago and as in other parts of the world we live with new facts on the ground all the time. UN in 1947 is a good place to start not end. If that partition had worked and Jews and Arabs had abided by the agreement, the world might be a better place today. Israel would be shrunk but at peace and Arabs in Palestine would be far better off. No refugees anywhere and so on. So Nadine and Marcos can argue until the world ends. Pre-1947 is interesting only from an historical standpoint. Until there is real de jure peace there will be only defacto on the ground and each time the Pals lose they will lose something tangible. And i take no glee in their loss because each victory hardens israelis and since they are "our" fellow jews like it or not, it affects us. IF you choose to answer, could you do it without hate and insults.