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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (62703)	4/26/2005 10:45:21 PM
From: Slagle	Respond to of 74559

Raymond, Re: Pearl Harbour. Whats the argument about? I have stated over and over that FDR used every method legal and illegal to provoke an attack and not just by the Japanese; there was a great hope that the Germans could be provoked to war but they wisely did not take the bait. This had been a work in progress for many years and finally bore fruit on December 7th. By the Summer of 1941, especially after the June 22 attack on the USSR there had developed a rift of sorts between members of the New Deal High Command that was mostly a product of their frustration at being unable to provoke the Germans, or failing that their second choice, the Japanese to war. Harold Ickes, Roosevelts Secretary of the Interior on June 23 delivered a memo urging FDR to stop the shipment of oil to Japan. When Roosevelt refused Ickes submitted his resignation. At this point FDR was holding out on increasing provocations in the East, hoping Germany could be provoked to war. By this point in time the US Navy was effectively at war in the Atlantic with Germany, escorting British convoys and hunting down and attacking German subs in international waters. Still the Germans didn't respond. FDR, Henry Wallace, Harry Hopkins (who was in England) and generally the "left" element of the government were holding out for war with Germany. Ickes, Hull, Stimson and Stark wanted to push Japan to war. On July 26 FDR ordered all Japanese assets in America frozen, therby cutting off Japan's oil so it appears that the "Japanophobes" won and carried Roosevelt along, though reluctantly. My point is simple: There is just no way that the New Dealers could have even imagined the extent of the Pearl Harbor disaster because it was unknow in the world that carrier based aircraft could accomplish as much. As for the "archaic navy" in the Pearl Harbor anchorage, the Pacific Fleet dreadnaughts were a well suited for their role which was to oppose Japan's similar but inferior dreadnaughts. Carriers stayed at sea almost constantly for the purpose of pilot training, while dreadnaughts since the adoption of director firing of the main batteries in 1915 did not ever need to go to sea for "target practice" as perfect salvo firing at ranges of over 20 miles was accomplished with optics and automation. Morale breakdown on the anchorage bound dreadnaught battleships had been a problem ever since. As for the Ruskies at Port Aurthur they didn't loose those pre-dreadnaughts to the Japanese Navy but ot the howitzers of the Japanese Army. All the naval actions off Port Aurthur were indecesive, including the Battle of the Yellow Sea. Later, after Port Aurthur had fallen to the Japanese Army the Russian Baltic Fleet, on an epic round the world "journey of the damned" were defeated at Tsushima Strait by Admiral Togo but AFTER the war was already over. And as I am sure you know, Lady Luck was really with us at Midway as there were numerous close calls though the trend was with us by then for sure. Slagle