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To: bentway who wrote (161009)	4/25/2005 2:36:43 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Of course, all these people are "neo-Nazis"! Just idiots like you. Since 1967 there have been more opportunities for peace than before in case you dont know the history which i know you dont. By the way in your last post, wrapping yourself in the american flag was a wonderful attempt on your part to question the loyalty of a majority of Americans who support israel. Nothing goes unnoticed by me, chrissy.

To: bentway who wrote (161009)	4/25/2005 5:46:32 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Since the Six Day War of 1967, when Israel took control of the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan Heights, and the Sinai Peninsula, the objectives and methods of the Zionist movement and of Israel have come under criticism. The Arab world opposed the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine from the outset, but during the course of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians since 1967, the legitimacy of Israel, and thus of Zionism, has been questioned in the wider world. Since the breakdown of the Oslo Accords in 2001, attacks on Zionism in media, intellectual and political circles, particularly in Europe, have reached new levels of intensity. A true statement, which takes no sides as to whether the attacks are justified or not. The mere fact that lots of people support a political movement does not in my opinion, weigh much on its virtues. In the 20th century, lots of people were democrats but more people were fascists or communists overall. Add up the USSR and China, and there were definitely more communists. Does that mean communism was correct? The objection I am trying to put to you is simple: I do not think there is justification to regard Israel as a totally exceptional case that deserves to be judged differently from any other country, as in National liberation movements are good things, except for Zionism/Israel Mitigating circumstances, such as people running for their lives, deserve consideration, except for Israel Wars of conquest settle who controls the land, except for Israel After the war is over, you write a peace treaty and move on, except for Israel After the war is over, the international community tries to repatriate or more often, resettle the refugees, with compensation negotiated, except for Israel You make your foreign policy based on the facts on the ground right now, and don't try to undo history, except for Israel etc. None of this btw, speaks to your objection to the fp alliance between Israel and the US. I think you've been sold a bill of goods there but I never called it anti-semitic. However, to look over the history of the 19th and 20th century in a way that judges Israel in one way, and everybody else in a totally different way, when that one way happens to be by an excrutiatingly high moral standard that nobody else is ever supposed to even approach, well that functionally has the result of judging all Zionist actions as damnable while giving everybody else a free pass for much worse, doesn't it? Like marcos keeps saying, for the Zionists no excuses will do; but for the Pakistanis or Turks or the Chinese or anybody else you care to name, no excuses are needed because he doesn't give a damn. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck, that's all I have to say.