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To: Sully- who wrote (9734)4/29/2005 10:23:27 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Hateful speech revisited

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On April 18 Ann Coulter spoke at the University of St. Thomas campus in St. Paul, Minnesota. When the Minneapolis Star Tribune's fatuous columnist wrote a characteristically bullying column accusing Coulter of "hate speech," he provoked a reaction among the administrators on campus. Before long, university president Father Dennis Dease issued a statement condemming Coulter's speech as "hateful," despite the fact that he had not attended it or deigned to designate what in the speech warranted his opprobrium.

I called Father Dease to ask exactly what he was condemning, and was referred to university spokesman Doug Hennes. Hennes seemed to have written Father Dease's statement on the speech and described himself as one of those in attendance on whom Father Dease had relied for a description of the speech's content. Hennes referred to "the way she treated people," ridiculing students who asked her critical questions, and certain elements of her speech that "crossed the line" and were "real controversial." He said that Coulter had advocated the invasion of "every Muslim country," for example, although he had not taken notes on the speech or listened to any recording of it. No report on the speech includes a quote advocating invasion of every Muslim country, although Coulter might have been asked about her post-9/11 column on the subject, I don't think her speech included the statement Hennes immediately cited to me.

The St. Thomas College newspaper is the Aquin. The Aquin news account of Coulter's speech describes absolutely nothing that could fairly be characterized as "hateful speech." The Aquin's editorial on Coulter's speech equally criticized the behavior of both liberal and conservative students attending the speech: "One of the most disappointing things about Coulter coming to campus was how immature people acted. Both conservatives and liberals were on the defensive, yelling sarcastic comments at each other. The liberals knew what to expect from Coulter and unfortunately just reenforced the stereotypes she was trying to prove."

See also the report of St. Thomas law student Karin Moore who attended the event and posted her observations on the Fraters Libertas site, and the report of Douglas, who posted a detailed account of the question-and-answer exchanges at Belief Seeking Understanding. Nothing in these reports tends to support Hennes's description of Coulter's alleged misconduct either.

On February 24 of this year, Al Franken spoke at the University of St. Thomas Law School in Minneapolis. I am informed that Franken bashed President Bush in Franken's usual style and that he spoke with "a potty mouth." In any event, I asked Hennes about Franken's speech. Hennes said that Franken's speech was not one of St. Thomas's "bright shinging moments" either. (Hennes hadn't attended Franken's speech.) I believe, however, that there was one notable difference. The funds for Franken's speaking fee came from St. Thomas, whereas Coulter's fee -- on which the Star Tribune's fatuous columnist harps -- was covered in full by Young America's Foundation. It involved no payment by the school or its students.

Coulter's appearance on campus was in part the handiwork of the admirable St. Thomas senior Katie Kieffer, who introduced Coulter before her St. Thomas appearance. Katie is a leader of the St. Thomas chapter of the College Republicans and the founder of the new conservative periodical The St. Thomas Standard. I met Katie a few weeks ago at the spring dinner of the Minnesota College Republicans. She is the kind of delightful, spirited, engaged student who makes St. Thomas such a successful school. Somebody owes her an apology; perhaps Father Dease will get around to it when he manages to fit a meeting with Ms. Kieffer into his schedule.

What is such a student to make of the spinelessness and double standards of her school's adult leadership? And what are we to conclude when the school's adult leadership sets such a poor example for the school's students?


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To: Sully- who wrote (9734)4/29/2005 4:17:50 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Katie Kieffer Reports

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We contacted St. Thomas senior Katie Kieffer and asked for her report on Ann Coulter's appearance at St. Thomas. Ms. Kieffer's report provides a valuable counterpoint to the columns by the Star Tribune's fatuous columnist as well as to Father Dease's condemnation of the event:

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Here are my thoughts on the atmosphere at the Ann Coulter event. Please note that the quotes are accurate to the best of my knowledge, but since there was no recording of the speech, they may not be word-for-word.

About five days prior to the event, several members of the St. Thomas Standard staff and some of the College Republicans made and posted fliers all around campus advertising Ms. Coulter's talk. I had to personally replace these signs around campus every day because they were repeatedly torn down or defaced. The vandals wrote "sad" across Ann's forehead, wrote "man hands" on them, or drew Ann on a leopard-print couch on several of the fliers. These acts foreshadowed the inappropriate manner of several rioters who ended up attending Ms. Coulter's speech.

My sister, Amie Kieffer, the artist for the St. Thomas Standard, and freshman at UST, told me that she felt that the atmosphere prior to, and especially after Ms. Coulter's speech was very oppressive. For example, she said that before the speech, her Old Testament professor told one of the College Republican students in her class--in front of the rest of the class--that she did not hold Ann in high regard--basically degrading the speech before it happened, and saying she wouldn't go. When her roommate had another student ask her if she was going to the speech, and she said she didn't know, the guy said: "I'm gonna go just because I hate her." Another guy told her that Ann sucked, and Amie asked why.

He said, "I don't know that's just what I've heard...and Amie said, "So what do you know about her?"..and he was like, "she is blond"... so that conversation didn't really go anywhere because he didn't have any facts....no one seems to!

My sister and I are both tired of repeatedly hearing from students who tell us that they did not attend the event, but think that Ann went over the line-that she's mean, she's a hater, she's full of it, that she said things that were inappropriate, etc. None of these people can point to anything specific that she said...it's all hearsay. Example: Amie's other roommate-who hadn't gone-came into her room saying: "Do you know this girl (Ann)? She is so racist...someone went to her speech and said all she did was diss black people...and who would want to listen to that?"

The truth is that Ms. Coulter was politically correct and professional. Students are spreading outright lies about Ann's performance, and so, everyone has an opinion on the event--even students who did not attend!

There was a standing-room-only audience (meaning 750+ in attendance). Overall, the majority of the crowd was very pro-Ann, and very respectful--clapping and cheering loudly for her throughout the speech. The atmosphere was tense, however, because of a few inappropriate outbursts and cackling from the audience-especially in the balcony areas. At least one individual had to be escorted out of the room by security.

Ms. Coulter was very respectful and would respond with facts to those audience members who asked her questions. Sometimes she would respond with her quick wit, or would move on to the next person, if the questioner became extremely obnoxious.


At the beginning of Ms. Coulter's speech, one man in the third row stood up and started yelling things like "Bush is a Liar!" The first few rows were all reserved seating--mainly for students who had attended the reception with Ann prior to the event-so he should not have been there. Public Safety escorted him out of the room, as he yelled: "Someone told me to sit here!"

Also toward the beginning of her talk, Ms. Coulter made a reference to Bill Clinton. Upon hearing his name, several people in the balcony kept obnoxiously clapping and cheering for an extended period of time.

There were two individuals in the balcony who stood out for their inappropriate conduct during the question and answer session
. The first one was a student who asked her: "What do you think about the Bible and especially the Sermon on the Mount?" Ann responded that she agreed with them, but before she was able to continue speaking, he interrupted her and said, "Well if that's all you can say, then Fuck you." He gave her the finger with both hands, and then stomped up the stairs.

The second individual waited in line to talk to Ann, and when he got to the microphone, said something like: "How can you call yourself a Christian since Jesus said 'Blessed are the Peacemakers'?" Ann looked a bit confused...he then added: "And I love my Muslim Friends too!" Ann responded (as he quickly walked away) that his statements seemed a bit contradictory, and then added: "Is this young man a student at this university, and if so, what are the SAT requirements to get in?" This student left the microphone right after he finished talking. He did not wait to hear Ms. Coulter's response, but immediately walked up the balcony stairs and left. This young man clearly was not interested in having any kind of respectful dialogue with Ms. Coulter. Rather he just wanted a platform to make his own personal--and confusing--statement.

The second to last person to ask Ann a question was a Vietnam veteran. He shared that he had served our country for over 30 years and said, "Thank you from the troops in Iraq" to Ms. Coulter. Before he was finished talking, someone in the audience obnoxiously shouted, "What is your question?" Not only did the audience fail to respect the speaker-Ms. Coulter-they had the boldness to mock a man who had served his country, and the rest of the U.S. troops!

After the event, I submitted a letter to the editor twice to the Star Tribune, which they never printed, in response to Nick Coleman's first column. I thought that they would want to hear my perspective, since I had organized the event!

Here is the Letter to the Editor I received from one student who was upset that there was no similar response on the part of the University after Al Franken spoke here:

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The liberal response to Ann Coulter's visit here at UST was distasteful and lacked any sort of intellectualism. Only a short time ago the champion of the left wing radio, Al Franken, visited our school and spoke about his political beliefs. Now someone on the right comes to school and the liberals go up in arms about her presence. This is a clear cut case of hypocrisy. I should remind my liberal counterparts about what liberal truly means. The basic premise of liberality is tolerance, open-mindedness, and diversity. Yet they not only ignore, but completely reject another point of view that varies from their own. When Ms. Coulter did arrive she was met with great negativity and rude behavior. These liberals are supposed to be part of the party for the lower classes, they should instead be known as the party of low class.


Dillon Donnelly--Sophomore, University of St. Thomas
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I was very disappointed with the way that the other student newspaper, the Aquin, responded to the event. The editors said that Ann Coulter's speech "concentrated on widening the divide that exists within our student body as well as within our community," while the two peace activists who had also spoken that same week: Arun Gandhi and Francis Bok, were praised for having given "intriguing" speeches. The editors complain that she is an example of "pure negativity," and then go on to complain about the immaturity of some of the members of the audience.

Although in reality the only ones in the audience who acted immature were liberal rioters
, the Aquin editors claim that "the conservatives were so wrapped up in themselves that they had no tolerance for any liberal there on the mere basis that they were a liberal." I have no idea what immature conservative words or actions the editors could be referring to in this comment! The editors complain that Coulter's words were above "all the children" who were in the audience: In response, I would say: Shouldn't speakers at a university speak at an adult's not a child's level, and secondly, the vast majority of the audience were students and community members-there were only handful of a middle-school-aged children-who found seats near the front! The editors conclude by saying that "People like Ann Coulter thrive on stirring up trouble so that everyone forgets the important issues we should be focusing on. People this close-minded are not going to help us come to rational solutions about social justice or learn to work as one. They are too focused on instructing us how to hate each other." Actually, I think that the only ones who are close-minded in this picture are the editors of the Aquin.
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It might have been a thoughtful gesture for the president of St. Thomas to contact Ms. Kieffer for her perspective on the event before he issued his condemnation of it. Her perspective might have given him pause; it might even have made him want to shift the identification of the source of the "hateful speech" he sought to condemn
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To: Sully- who wrote (9734)5/2/2005 10:34:42 AM
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Hateful speech revisited

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Patrick Coyle is the Director of Campus Lectures for Young America's Foundation, the group that paid for the appearance of Ann Coulter at St. Olaf College and St. Thomas University on April 17 and 18, respectively. We have covered the condemnation of Coulter's talk as "hateful speech" by St. Thomas President Father Dennis Dease. Coyle has now released a statement on the events in issue: "University presidents should apologize for rude students"...

Coyle writes:

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The leftist students at the University of St. Thomas were also eager to disrupt [Coulter's] speech and commandeered the first row of the balcony
. In a silly display by these students, when Coulter merely mentioned Bill Clinton the entire row erupted in applause and cheers. Another individual began to heckle her after every sentence.

Unfortunately for the Left, it did not account for a packed hall, overflowing with students and community members who support Coulter and were eager to hear her ideas. These supporters were not about to see her speech interrupted. Upon Coulter's appearance on stage, the grand majority of the crowd burst into applause and gave her a standing ovation. During the question and answer session, which is designed to ignite thoughtful discourse, whenever a leftist began ranting about his or her personal disdain for Coulter, the members of the audience repeatedly shouted, "Ask a Question!" Despite the disruptions from the Left, campus security actually maintained control and removed a rowdy protestor.

Neither university president acknowledged this rude and disruptive behavior by the liberal students. Did these presidents ever bother to contact the conservatives on campus to hear their views, or were they just basing their comments from talking with detractors? Fr. Dease never called event organizer Katie Kieffer to ask for her opinion. You would think before making a statement Fr. Dease would at least contact the event organizers to hear their points-of-view. A few days ago, Katie attempted to meet with Fr. Dease and was told by his assistant, "He is not meeting with students on that issue." [I understand that Father Dease has subsequently found time to schedule a meeting with Ms. Kieffer in mid-May.]

Fr. Dease seems to have forgotten that his university invited liberal commentator Al Franken to speak in March [Franken spoke at the University of St. Thomas Law School on February 24]. Of course, Al Franken is the author of the timeless book, "Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat Idiot." Is that not "hateful" speech? I suppose since Al Franken is a liberal, and Rush a conservative, that is acceptable by Dease's standards.

Since most university presidents are so eager to support "diversity" and ensure others are sensitive to opposing ideas, perhaps Dease and [St. Olaf President Christopher] Thomforde should institute sensitivity training for campus leftists who use hateful speech that "vulgarize our culture" with cursing, cat-calls, and heckling during a public lecture.

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In referring to Franken's best-selling book on Rush Limbaugh, Coyle understandably misses the humorous intent behind the title of Franken's book. Since the expiration of the "Al Franken Decade" fifteen years ago, Franken hasn't been funny; he has become just another crude political hack. Of course, that didn't stop St. Thomas from paying the freight for Franken's appearance at the law school this past February, or cause Father Dease to hesitate before issuing his condemnation of Coulter's talk.

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To: Sully- who wrote (9734)5/4/2005 8:50:51 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Hateful speech revisited

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Nicole Hoplin is a graduate of St. Olaf College and assistant to the president of the Young America's Foundation, the group that paid the fee for Ann Coulter's talk at St. Olaf College (in part) and paid for her talk at St. Thomas (in full) last month. She has submitted the following column to the Minneapolis Star Tribune and the St. Paul Pioneer Press:

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Ann Coulter's speeches at St. Olaf College and St. Thomas University captivated students! That is why Fr. Dease's labeling of Ann Coulter's speech as "hateful" shocked me. I was there, and I should know.

Fr. Dease could have made a statement by attending the lecture to show that his college embraces ideological diversity, yet instead, he relies on those who were most inflamed by Coulter's comments, and publicly proclaims Ms. Coulter's speech was "hateful." Father Dease's statement was mean-spirited. He has, himself, created an environment of hostility towards conservatives at St. Thomas with his statement.

And, all the while, as Brit Hume of FOX News wrote on the FOX website, "He [Dease] never cited anything Coulter said, or even anything he had heard she said. As for the Star Tribune's story [by Matt McKinney], it never cited anything Coulter actually said either." Minnesota, the home of Al Franken who calls Rush Limbaugh a "big, fat idiot," should understand occasional sarcastic humor.

As a life-long Minnesotan (I'm moving back in early June), I want my news sources to include the details-describe what Coulter said that deserved the label "hate speech," rather than simply attacking a too rare conservative appearance.


Coulter's speeches brought hundreds of young people to her events and have left them debating and discussing the merits of her ideas. Personally, I can't think of a better outcome for a campus speech-nor can I think of the last time a liberal generated such interest on a campus in Minnesota.

As a St. Olaf College graduate, a conservative, and the assistant to the president at Young America's Foundation, yes, the organization that sponsored Coulter's lecture at St. Thomas, it has become my life's work to ensure that young people are presented with conservatism at some point while they're in college.

My enthusiasm for the Coulter event at St. Olaf couldn't have been higher-as a conservative St. Olaf alumna, it was my first time back to the campus to see a speaker I admire present her ideas to the student body. Yet, the St. Olaf event left me wondering, what kind of community fosters an intellectual and spiritual journey that elicits questions such as, "Ann, are you a virgin?"

The speech was held in the campus chapel, a place for me that is both special and spiritual. My husband proposed to me in that chapel during our senior year, and we've been happily married now for three years. Like many in the St. Olaf community, the Sunday services and daily chapel impacted my character and continues to do so even today.

But, the outright rudeness towards Ann Coulter taints those warm memories. I've never heard the "F---" word in a place of worship, nor do I ever hope to in the future. Why would students wear t-shirts suggesting, "Rape Ann Coulter"? Were these attendees fostered by their educators to be intolerant, hateful, and rude?

A March 2005 poll found that 72% of college professors identify themselves as liberal! Today's campuses swarm with liberal ideas from professors, administrators, and even university presidents. Why is it that students should not listen to ideas that may be different from the ones constantly infiltrated into their daily lives for two hours, one night/afternoon out of one school year? After all, Howard Zinn and Jesse Ventura both recently spoke at St. Olaf. It seems to me that a conservative's presence is a fair expression of intellectual balance.


Ann Coulter attracted more students at St. Thomas than could even attend the event! Students heard conservative ideas-yes, they may agree or they may have disagreed. But for a university president to deride her appearance the very week she appeared on the cover of TIME magazine suggests to me that he no longer wishes his university to have a worthy discussion with today's most visible leaders. I'd challenge him to put together a comparable event with someone he deems "non-controversial" who will attract such interest or create such memories for St. Thomas students.

Ms. Coulter took questions from students following her remarks to foster a dialogue of ideas. Dease's criticism of the Coulter event (after not attending it), prematurely shut down the debate of ideas. What does it say for the future of intellectual diversity on campus if students become afraid to put a speaker with different ideas in front of a student audience?

Indeed, both St. Thomas and St. Olaf should reevaluate the communities they are creating for students of all intellectual tendencies when they foster a hostile environment for one of the nation's leading conservatives.

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UPDATE: Seth Heringer writes from St. Olaf:

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My name is Seth Heringer and I am President of St. Olaf's SGA. I just read your article on Nicole Hoplin and Ann Coulter. In it you state that her organization funded Ann's appearance. While that is true, the Political Awareness Committee of SGA funded the vast majority of her appearance. I believe we paid about 2/3 while Young America's Foundation paid around 1/3. I would appreciate if you would correct this in your article.
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I have accordingly revised the post above to reflect Heringer's message more precisely.

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