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To: Ichy Smith who wrote (4829)	4/29/2005 4:47:26 PM
From: Sawdusty	Respond to of 37630

"Frankly I have believed for a long time that the Federal Government and by extention the country is nearly unworkable. Where I live in Ontario, every level of government is claiming poverty, and the costs are skyrocketting. The water rates have more than doubled, Hydro is hugely expensive, the roads are increasingly impassible and under the Provincial Fiberals it is only going to get worse. However if Ontario were to separate from the rest of Canada, there is enough income generated within the province to solve most of the problems. That cannot happen under the Federal Government, the Federal Government simply wastes far more money with far less effect than Ontario can afford. Anything would be better than the present situation with each provincial government pleading their poverty and the Federal Government spending money on whatever farce pops into their empty heads." So you think Ontario joining the US will solve all those problems? I would guess you are not concerned that the US is running the largest fiscal deficit in history, likely to increase given current policies? You must also think that they would leave Ontario with more money than we currently have? You must have closer ties to the individual states than I, as the last I heard most are in deep fiscal doo-doo. California is a good example. Things I have recently read: - several states rejecting the education policy. - 40 million plus without medical insurance. - huge illegal alien problems, putting strain on education and health care. - crime increasing. - infrastructure crumbling. - huge job losses. - major effort underway to cut SS. - medicaid in worse shape than SS. It's hard to understand where we would gain as you seem to think, but personally I would prefer to see Ontario stay right where it is, warts and all.

To: Ichy Smith who wrote (4829)	4/29/2005 9:50:13 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 37630

We have some agreement here but frankly the Liberals balanced the federal budget on the backs of all the provinces... Joining the US is a no go... K

To: Ichy Smith who wrote (4829)	4/30/2005 10:38:50 PM
From: SofaSpud	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 37630

It’s interesting how the Canada Health Act has become iconographic. The CHA isn’t what founded what most of us would consider “medicare” – OHIP, or AHCIP. The Canada Health Act was an initiative from the dying days of the Trudeau administration – Monique Begin beating up Alberta for permitting physicians to extra bill. Check it out – the CHA is 1984 legislation. Read Liberal Senator Michael Kirby’s report. The objective of the 60s was to give Canadians quality health care without regard to the individual’s ability to pay. Think about it: timely, appropriate, quality medical care, to everyone. I don’t know if that’s what’s available in the U.S,. and I don’t care. I do know that that doesn’t describe health care in Canada today. I do know that there are families who cannot find a family physician; I do know that people are forced to wait for treatment, periods of time that exacerbate their conditions (as in the case of cancer patients) or render them invalid for unreasonable periods (as in the case of orthopedic surgery). You have to admire a propaganda machine that makes people want to defend to their death the current regime. That convinces people that it’s better to wait years for a hip replacement than have to face the “spectre” that they need a Visa card for help. IMO, with the money we, as taxpayers are spending on health, can do better. Alberta will spend $10 billion on health this year, which is more than the entire provincial budget was in 1989, with no better outcomes, and with longer waiting lists.