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To: rich evans who wrote (30360)	4/29/2005 11:03:14 AM
From: redfish	Respond to of 306849

They don't provide free health care to the uninsured. They send the uninsured a whopping huge bill for the health care, and the uninsured don't pay it, wrecking their credit ratings and putting them deeply in debt. That's way different than "free."

To: rich evans who wrote (30360)	4/29/2005 1:19:59 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

The uninsured don't go to the emergency room for a checkup, or even for a minor complaint that might be the first sign of a MAJOR problem. This would be when it could be treated most cheaply. They wait until the minor complaint becomes an unbearable problem, at which point it may be too late, and is certainly much more expensive to treat. NOT an efficent system.

To: rich evans who wrote (30360)	4/29/2005 5:41:25 PM
From: David Jones	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

ot:>>>>Meanwhile let the poor and uninsured use the ERs and we all contribute indirectly and the doctors can do their stuff pro=bono under their oath to help.<<<< NOOO jesus no! Were losing ER's and acute care beds by leaps here in California. Plus we're losing doctors and the doctors here will tell you straight up it's going to get worse. ER crisis escalates -AND- Emergency rooms in the red maillists.uci.edu California's Hospitals Closing, More Cuts Ahead larouchepub.com

To: rich evans who wrote (30360)	4/29/2005 11:57:22 PM
From: 10K a day	Respond to of 306849

>>Health care for the poor or uninsured in this country is provided free in ER at Hospitals. Many doctors who work there or are called in end up doing the work pro-bono. The hospital eats the bill. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. FREE MY ASS. DOCTORS ARE GOING BUST. THERAPIST ARE GOING BUST. Private doctors. Physical therapist. See the patients. the medicaid (Medi-Cal in California) patient pays a one dollar co pay. The therapist is reimbursed 28 dollars. 28 STINKIN' DOLLARS! The doctor gets roughly a third of what private insurance pays. the doctor and therapist cant pay their light bill. they have to hire extra staff to fight workers' compensation who denies everything. They have to pay 10 percent to the middle man who contracts with HMO'S. They have to navigate the ERISA joke of a system which is all about confusion and hiding the money trail so nobody pays due to layers and layers of OVERLAPPING contracts selling contracts reniging on contracts losing contracts and buearcracy. (we won't even talk about the cost of Malpractice insurance) they have to buy all the ACOEM books. they have to site case law to dispute the Workers' compensation designated denial doctor who has a standard form and AGENDA TO DENY EVERYTHING... IT'S A JOKE OF SYSTEM. Meanwhile back at the EDS shop that administrates California Medi-Cal. They are working on an Antiquated Paper system that was signed in to law in 1982(THATS RIGHT 1982)with the same fee schedule. UNBELIEVABLE. They use the same forms that they used in 1982 to protect the job of the california state employee. LET THEM EAT DUST.