To: Wayners who wrote (681116 ) 4/30/2005 5:13:55 AM From: DuckTapeSunroof Respond to of 769667 National debt (up to the minute):uwsa.com America's total debt report (household, business, and gvt., great link!):mwhodges.home.att.net Federal debt report:mwhodges.home.att.net Interest on federal debt ($41 million per hour): "NOTE: the above interest data is for gross interest according to the Dept. of Debt at Treasury. For 2000 gross interest was $362 billion. However, government budget data claims they only 'spend' what is called 'net interest' which for 2000 was $223 billion. That $139 billion difference between gross and net is the amount that government should have paid to such major 'off-budget' entities (like the social security trust fund) for surpluses general government had siphoned-off for other spending, but did not pay the owed interest in cash and instead gave the trust funds internal IOUs which are not marketable yet drove the debt even further up. This practice allows government to claim they did not spend that money (although they owed it), and thereby understate the budget deficit (and further increases federal debt) by said amount. So, not only is the social security trust fund (for example) holding non-marketable IOUs instead of marketable assets for the FICA surplus payments (because all the surplus was siphoned off for non-pension spending), but it is also holding internal IOUs (instead of marketable assets) for all interest owed it for all the surplus siphoned off from the trusts by the general government. (see the Trust Fund Report "where's the trust fund surplus" for discussion on how funds are siphoned from trust funds for non-pension use, leaving behind non-marketable IOUs while understating the budget deficit)."mwhodges.home.att.net "Eliminating the deficit is insufficient. The debt principal MUST be eliminated !! This requires a reduction in spending, as it has been proven that raising taxes will not fix the problem - - as all tax increases are always consumed in more spending plus debt increases, instead of debt reductions. Will this make the living standards of our young better??" Also:federalbudget.com