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To: bentway who wrote (161275)	4/30/2005 3:43:39 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Let's all celebrate the end of the Vietnam war today, the LAST illegal, immoral war the people had to stand up and get our government to end. It was as much a victory for our democracy here at home as it was for the Vietnamese. Yes, let's all celebrate the creation of so great a worker's paradise that over a million people sold all their possessions for a dangerous trip in a leaky boat just to get out of there. Sounds like a paradise worth celebrating, that. But what the hey, America lost, so I guess you're for it.

To: bentway who wrote (161275)	4/30/2005 5:04:43 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

It was a short-lived victory, soon there came Reagan with his filthy little war on centroamericanos, hiring argentino torturers to terrorise schoolteachers and doctors, paying for this using funds gotten by various underhanded means ... trying to bullshit the world with 'commie tanks x hours from Brownsville Texas bla bla bla', mining harbours, doing all he could to drive into the ground one rinky dink little country that for all its rhetoric was minding its own damn business You win some, you lose some, you just keep plugging away, or you roll over and die ... vietnamese got freedom from invaders, they took for a while freedom from common sense as well, sort of threw out the baby with the bathwater when they let association with the last two invaders taint the concept of liberal democracy ... in most reconquistas by natives there is retaliation against collaborators, it could be argued that they took theirs somewhat beyond what was in their best interests ... all this is behind them now though, the great majority of vietnamese today were born after their reconquista, most of them well after, and it's ancient history for them, today will be just an excuse for a day off and a beer .... almost no hard feelings remain, of course that is the tendency for the victors in these situations ... from here they just have to answer the same question we all do, What do we do next