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To: Snowshoe who wrote (63114)5/1/2005 6:11:26 AM
From: shades  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 74559
 
I am looking at some news posted on alt.politics.economics USENET feed - since mulan and others have decided to make this a china politics thread - lets look at some history - can anyone verify if this stuff is true?

CLINTON: What China Got in Return
What China Got in Return
Published in the Jul. 28, 1997 issue of The Washington Weekly

It was revealed during the Chinagate hearings last week that when Haley Barbour in 1995 wanted to meet with Chinese leaders, he received a lukewarm reception. The reason: the Chinese government wanted Clinton to win the election, according to the deposition of Ambrous Young.

And we are now engaged in uncovering the millions of dollars they spent to achieve that goal. Why was it so important for them that Clinton win and not Dole?

Consider what they have received in return from Bill Clinton:

(*) Supercomputers for weapons development.

(*) Machine tools for missile construction.

(*) Global Positioning System Technology for
missile guidance.

(*) Satellites and satellite technology.

(*) A flip-flop to delink MFN trade status and
human rights.

(*) Placement of John Huang inside the Commerce Dept.
with a security clearance and access to classified information.

(*) The entire U.S. Patent database.

(*) US backing down on the Taiwan issue and
withdrawing
military presence in Straits of Taiwan during crisis.

(*) Sensitive encryption information, hardware and software.

Does anyone expect the Chinese to use the database to avoid infringement on U.S. patents? Of course not! In it, this third world country has a reference library on American industrial and military technology.

China received everything it asked for, and in return John Huang was moved to the DNC to act as a conduit for payment of the goods Bill Clinton delivered to China.

What more could China possibly wish? It is as if China has already won the war. Perhaps it has, and we are only know waking up to realize that fact.

Published in the Jul. 28, 1997 issue of The Washington Weekly Copyright 1997 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com)

I heard a conference on CSPAN that china was stealing our intellectual property from good honest american companies - why is this tolerated?



To: Snowshoe who wrote (63114)5/1/2005 6:12:42 AM
From: shades  Respond to of 74559
 
More history - is it confirmed looking back now?

CLINTON: Chinese trade coup staggers US spy chiefs
Sunday Times
November 10 1996

Chinese trade coup staggers US spy chiefs
by James Adams in Washington

PRESIDENT Bill Clinton may have been the victim of a massive Chinese
espionage operation intended to gather top-secret information on
American trade and economic policy, according to intelligence
officials and Republican sources.

The CIA and Congress have launched investigations into what appears to
have been a stunning intelligence coup by China. In a four-year
operation, Chinese agents were able to take advantage of lax security
procedures and a pattern of corruption in the Clinton administration
to get routine access for their friends and associates to the highest
levels of the administration, including the Oval Office.

In return, China was able to lobby for the retention of most favoured
nation status, worth billions of dollars a year to Peking, and have
advanced knowledge of America's negotiating positions in trade and
economic talks as well as access to trade deals subsidised by America.
"It's bad," said one intelligence source. "The Chinese have clearly
pulled off the kind of coup we would have loved to have done."

The operation will be the focus of an investigation by the House
oversight committee, expected when Congress resumes in January. A
dossier prepared for the committee details "People's Republic of China
Intelligence Penetration" of the Clinton administration.

The investigation is certain to destroy any vestige of "bipartisan
co-operation" that some Republicans and Democrats hoped to see in
Clinton's second term. Some Republicans believe that the evidence is
so damaging that senior administration officials are certain to be
indicted.

Fears of a Chinese intelligence scam stem from an investigation into
the millions of dollars the Democrats received in illegal campaign
contributions over the past four years. The Clinton administration
gave high-level access to donors to lobby officials and paid them off
with generous subsidised trade deals.

Until now, this has been regarded as an example of corruption in the
Clinton administration. Now it is suspected much more was involved and
that the First Bureau of the military intelligence department in
China, responsible for gathering intelligence abroad, was the big
winner.

Investigators are focusing on the Chinese Resources Bank, based in
Hong Kong and officially the commercial arm of China's ministry of
foreign trade and economic co-operation. However, according to western
intelligence sources, the bank is a front for Chinese intelligence.

"A vice-president of the China Resources Holding Company in Hong Kong
is traditionally a military case officer," said Nicholas Eftimiades, a
China specialist with the Defence Intelligence Agency. "This officer
coordinates the collection activities of other intelligence personnel
operating under [China Resources] cover."

In what appears to have been a classic espionage operation launched
days after Clinton was elected in November 1992, China Resources
purchased at a discount a 15% share in the Hong Kong Chinese Bank,
which is owned by the Lippo Group, the Indonesian conglomerate with
close ties to Clinton.

Eight months later, after the Lippo Group had demonstrated it had
direct access to the Oval Office and was able to influence American
foreign policy, China Resources increased its shareholding in the bank
to 50%. This time, the Chinese paid a 50% premium and gave Lippo a
profit of about œ12m. A key figure in the affair is John Huang, a
former Taiwanese air force officer. Born in China, he joined the Hong
Kong Chinese Bank and in the mid-1980s moved to Little Rock, Arkansas,
helping to establish Lippo's operations in Arkansas and getting to
know Bill and Hillary Clinton well.

In January 1994, on the personal instructions of Ron Brown, the
commerce secretary, Huang was given top-secret security clearance
without background checks by the FBI or the state depart ment's Office
of Security a strict requirement for somebody born in a foreign
country.

This gave him access to vital American intelligence. Six months later,
he was given a post in the commerce department and went with Brown on
a trade mission to Peking.

"By the time Brown and Huang went to China in July 1994, there was
$5.5 billion (œ3.3 billion) in deals ready to be signed," said a
Republican investigator. "Never in the history of America's trade
relations with China has so much been put together so fast."

In the commerce department, Huang had access to much of the
intelligence delivered daily to the department by the CIA that relates
to economic and trade secrets gathered around the world. He also
received weekly intelligence briefings from the CIA.

Shortly before joining the administration, Huang was given a $900,000
pay-off by the Lippo Group. However, he continued to keep in close
touch with Mochtar Riady, his former boss at the Lippo Group.

Huang was also busy as a fundraiser for the Democrats, generating $5m
in the past 12 months, including a $450,000 donation from Lippo. Some
of those donations were illegal and in the past month the Democrats
have returned $500,000.

In the past two years Huang has visited the White House about 70 times
and had several meetings with Clinton unprecedented access for a
relatively low-level official.

Riady himself made six trips to Washington in Clinton's first term and
met the president several times on each visit. In September 1995 Riady
and Huang met Clinton and pressed for the retention of China's most
favoured nation status.

At the least, the result of this lobbying appears to have been
sweetheart deals for Lippo involving billions of dollars, some of
which were under written by the US Export-Import Bank. At the same
time, Clinton softened his stance against Indonesia's labour practices
that had been attacked by Amnesty International.

"What you seem to have here is a classic intelligence operation that
took advantage of every opportunity presented," said one Republican
source. "For a relatively modest investment, a foreign government
gains access to the president, to lucrative trade deals and has a
direct influence on our foreign policy. Who could ask for more?"

The White House is worried. Officials privately are pointing the
finger at Brown, who was killed in an air crash earlier this year.
"It's clear that Brown was running an illegal operation," said one.
"But how do you vilify a dead man who's a hero to the Democratic
party?"

I remember when BROWN blew up - seemed fishy to me at the time - did the cia jackals get him too late?



To: Snowshoe who wrote (63114)5/1/2005 6:14:15 AM
From: shades  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
The chinese are our friends right? Is this stuff true? I wasn't paying much attention to this news back then.

CLINTON: CHINESE MONEY WAS ROUTED TO THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN

Chinese money was routed through Lippo link to the Clinton campaign

By Jerry Seper

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Chinese military intelligence officers diverted illegal campaign
donations to the Clinton-Gore Re-Election Committee through a Hong
Kong bank controlled by an Indonesian family with long-standing ties
to President Clinton, authorities said.

Federal law enforcement officials, congressional investigators and
others said several hundred thousand dollars in cash went to the
campaign through several emissaries handpicked by the People's
Liberation Army (PLA).

The money, the sources said, originated in Beijing and initially was
routed by the PLA to China Resources Holding Company Ltd. in Hong
Kong. From there, it was transferred to the Hong Kong Chinese Bank --
jointly owned by the Chinese government and Lippo Group, a
multibillion-dollar Indonesian conglomerate owned by longtime Clinton
supporters Mochtar and James Riady, the sources said.

Eventually, the cash was moved to other banks, then wired to the
emissaries, who distributed it to the Clinton-Gore campaign and to
other state and federal races, the sources said.

U.S. intelligence officials believe the PLA bought into the Hong Kong
bank after Mr. Clinton's 1992 election as a way of gaining access to
the president through the Riady family, which has been a supporter of
Mr. Clinton since he was governor of Arkansas.

Johnny Chung, a California businessman who gave more than $350,000 to
the Democratic Party, has linked Democratic fund-raisers John Huang
and Charles Yah Lin Trie to the PLA fund-raising scheme in grand jury
testimony and sworn statements as part of a plea agreement in a
Justice Department probe.

Chung, an admitted bagman for Chinese intelligence, testified that his
former business partner, Liu Chao-ying, a Chinese aerospace executive
and lieutenant colonel in the PLA, told him Mr. Trie and Mr. Huang
were "directed in their fund-raising activities by the Chinese
government."

At least one House committee is investigating the leadership of China
Resources, based on preliminary information showing that top PLA
officers have assumed key positions with the firm to continue efforts
to influence U.S. policy on several issues.

Of particular concern, the sources said, is a possible connection
between China Resources and the PLA's chief military intelligence
officer, Gen. Ji Shengde, who -- according to Chung's grand jury
testimony -- ordered that $300,000 be transferred to Chung for
donations to the Democratic Party. That transfer -- first reported by
the Los Angeles Times -- took place after Chung personally met with
Gen. Ji in Hong Kong in a meeting arranged by Miss Liu.

The sources said Chung testified that Gen. Ji told him he already was
engaged in similar transactions with others serving as conduits for
Chinese money for Mr. Clinton.

The cash eventually was wired to Chung's account at the Overseas Trust
Bank in Hong Kong. He gave $35,000 to the Democratic National
Committee. The rest was moved to a separate account at a California
bank. It is not clear how it was used.

China denies using illegal campaign donations to influence the 1996
elections. In a joint press conference Thursday with Mr. Clinton,
Chinese Prime Minister Zhu Rongji denounced the accusations.

"I think this shows that some Americans really have underestimated us.
If the political contribution were to be really that effective, I have
146 billion U.S. dollars of foreign-exchange reserve, so I should have
put out at least 10 billion U.S. dollars for that purpose, why just
$300,000?" he said. "That would be too foolish."

Mr. Zhu promised to cooperate in any probe of the accusations; similar
promises in the past have not been honored.

It is against the law for foreign governments to donate to U.S.
political campaigns.

Lippo denies any wrongdoing in its relationship with the president,
although the sources said the PLA was counting on the Riadys' ties to
Mr. Clinton for access of its own. They said the PLA knew the Riadys'
Worthen National Bank in Little Rock, Ark., had given Mr. Clinton a
multimillion-dollar loan to get through the 1992 presidential
election, and had handed over $100,000 to former Associate Attorney
General Webster L. Hubbell after he quit the Justice Department and
before he pleaded guilty to two Whitewater felonies.

Lippo sold a 15 percent interest in its Hong Kong bank to China
Resources in 1993, four days after Mr. Clinton's 1992 election
victory. By July 1992, the company had sold off half the bank to China
Resources in what U.S. authorities believe was a continuing effort by
the PLA to cash in on the Riadys' relationship with Mr. Clinton.

China Resources paid what U.S. intelligence officials said was a huge
premium over the net asset value of the bank, giving Lippo a profit of
$164 million.

A key player in the suspected plot appears to be Mr. Huang, a former
Lippo employee, Commerce Department official and Democratic National
Committee fund-raiser, who served as vice president of the Hong Kong
bank from 1985 to 1986. When Mr. Huang left Lippo to join Commerce, he
received a $780,000 bonus.

China Resources, according to the sources, was used by the Chinese
government as a cover for its spying activities. Owned by the PLA,
Chinese military intelligence officials are said to be free to
penetrate its operations for economic espionage. More recently, it has
invested in several Lippo ventures within Indonesia.

The company describes itself as a government-affiliated trading
concern supplying Hong Kong with water and food from China, but
testimony last year before the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee
documented that the firm was used as a front for Chinese espionage
operations.