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To: KyrosL who wrote (30474)	5/1/2005 3:10:31 PM
From: 10K a day	Respond to of 306849

>>I think you are running out of excuses for the abominable performance and cost of our health care system. the cost?? Start with 802 million on average to bring a drug to market. I don't know how they came up with that number. but thats the number. The two biggest selling drugs ever. Taxol and epogin did not cost the drug makers that money to develop. Epogin is a natural substance. Hold the drug companies to the same standards that they holding the doctors and therapist. The doctors have to site case law or studies for every little band aid they prescribe. Show me a study that shows band aids help that cut on your finger to heal. It's like how do you define DUH. The FEDS are stuck on DUH. Ah-Nuld is stuck on DUH. The drug co's and insurance co's are laughing in our face....BECAUSE WE STUCK ON DUH. It cost you 50 CENTS in administrative costs to get approval on a 50 cent procedure. I THINK THAT QUALIFIES AS STUCK ON DUH. AND THEN...When they deny your claim for that band aid because you didn't site case law or a double blind controlled study. Then you have to appeal your prescription for the BAND aid. and write a 36 page report justifying the use of said band aid in treatment of said paper cut.... LIKE STUCK ON DUH. BUT YOU CAN'T EVEN TALK TO THE INSURANCE CO YET TO DISCUSS SAID BAND AID.....BECAUSE privacy laws....UNLIKE THE DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED PATRIOT ACT....won't even let you say the patients name on the telephone for christ sake.....STUCK ON DUH DUH DUH..so you have to get that 55 page release form signed before you can discuss SAID BAND AID with said INSURANCE CO.... LIKE STUCK ON DUH.

To: KyrosL who wrote (30474)	5/1/2005 3:18:10 PM
From: GraceZ	Respond to of 306849

The US was not always so smoke free, it used to be as ubiquitous here as it is in France. The friend's mother, who died this morning from lung cancer, hadn't smoked in 20 years. My mother, who smoked for 60 years suffered a stroke (actually several but one severe enough to effect her memory) and forgot she smoked. At the time of her death from lung cancer and emphysema, she hadn't smoked in five years. My friend Jennifer, her step father died of lung cancer, hadn't smoked in 25 years. All three would be listed as non-smoking adults, all three had medical conditions directly related to their smoking. It takes very long time to develop lung cancer from smoking and by the time the cancer shows up, the person may have quit. There are certainly other factors aside from smoking, nutrition is one of them. The longer lived Europeans have far better eating and exercise habits than Americans do. Where is the stat that tells you how many individuals were smoke free their entire lives? My sister, who has smoked for fifty years, is quick to point out that not all cases of lung cancer are caused by smoking. Somewhere in the middle of telling this to me she usually breaks down into a coughing hacking fit. I stopped bugging her about quiting ten years ago, because it's already too late. Her fate is sealed regardless of whatever healthcare she gets. The best she can hope for is to live out the last 20 years like my mother did, with numerous hospitalizations, operations and a myriad of medications to treat the side effects.