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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: ManyMoose who wrote (102771)	5/1/2005 11:01:54 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

It's really difficult to be a vegan and have cats. Cats are real meat lovers. My cats are twelve and seventeen years old, and I probably won't have any more after these die, because I don't really like little tins of meat laying around my kitchen. Better that free range chickens who had actual lives and did not suffer every minute of their lives died so my cats can live, but it is not a very satisfactory solution, and it doesn't make me happy. They also get deep sea fish in little cans that cost almost two dollars each. No mammals, though. That is the best compromise I have been able to make. Dogs are omniverous. If they get enough protein and the right minerals and vitamins and enzymes, a lot of people, including some veterinarians, believe it is possible for them to live long and well on a vegetarian diet. I would give them organic cottage cheese and free range eggs, though, if I did it exclusively. I'm not sure if you were here when we were discussing the world's oldest dog, a border collie who lives in England and is 27. She is a vegan. For anyone considering taking their dogs vegetarian, these are the supplements you need to add to their recipes (which come with the supplements). The recipes are bean or soy or lentil based. The food is very healthy. My dogs love the lentil recipe, but I don't feed it to them exclusively. When I do give them the lentils, I usually add some nice vegetables or salad. These are the products the people who work at PETA buy for their companion animals: vegepet.com My dogs also get Wellness brand deep sea fish and sweet potato dogfood sometimes, and very expensive (it's actually called Solid Gold!) salmon kibble. Also Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Vegetarian kibblem which is totally nutritionally complete for dogs. In twenty years I think we will have more definitive studies of whether all dogs thrive on vegetarian diets. If you don't do it right, large dogs especially can get cardiomyelopathy, and die early. I don't think it's ethical to experiment on pets that way, until there is more evidence. At the same time, conventional American pet food has lots of really gross byproducts in it, and the carcasses of euthanized pets with big cancerous tumors, and of course those deer with chronic wasting disease. I don't need to eat meat, but my pets might. If I take vitamins, especially vitamin B12, I can eat a plant-based diet with a reasonable amount of protein and be perfectly healthy. In fact, with all the money I spend on feeding five pets really high quality food, Mr. Grainne and I really couldn't afford meat even if we liked it! My goal is to minimize the suffering of animals. It is not a perfect world, admittedly.