To: tejek who wrote (231514 ) 5/4/2005 5:10:27 PM From: TimF Respond to of 1571940 Gov't spending had been reduced dramatically to cope with the mess. I don't think CA's spending was ever reduced dramatically since the end of WWII. Projections of future growth might have been reduced dramatically, and on occasion actual spending might have been trimmed but not reduced dramatically. "If that were true, then the infrastructure would not be falling apart as consistently as it is." It is if discretionary is reduced to accommodate mandatory spending. The statement you quote is from my quote of your previous post, it wasn't something I said. Infrastructure is far from the only thing CA spends money on. Also spending on infrastructure isn't automatically efficient effective spending on infrastructure. Huh? Please explain. Its very simple. "Infrastructure is far from the only thing CA spends money on." or in other words CA spends a lot of money on things besides infrastructure. "Also spending on infrastructure isn't automatically efficient effective spending on infrastructure.", or in other words You can spend money on infrastructure without doing much for your infrastructure. You can spend too much to accomplish too little, or you can spend on infrastructure that isn't needed too badly but has political support while neglecting vital infrastructure that is falling apart. I never said it had low tax rates but it doesn't necessarily have a high one either. It depends very much on what survey you're reviewing. You did, even if you didn't say it directly. I said "CA doesn't have low tax rates". You said "It depends on which survey you look at". I pointed out how it doesn't depend on which survey you look at. All of the surveys show CA with above average taxes. And the problem can get more complex. Here in WA state, tax revenues have just started coming back. Meanwhile, there are projects that have been deferred for 5 years. One of them is a viaduct in downtown Seattle that was damaged in the last big quake. For safety reasons it needs to come down. If it were replaced exactly as is.........a hi rise road, the cost would be $4 billion......I am guessing. However, many people want it put underground.......for aesthetic and financial benefit reasons. That would put the cost, and again, I am guessing, at $6 billion. Its a hard call because the feds can give very little help with this one. If it were a private corp. I suspect it would likely go with the cheaper duplicate hi rise replacement. However, a gov't can go with the more costly one and its very likely Seattle will go that way. You would probably object whereas I am all for it. I'm not sure I would object, I don't know the details. I'm not objecting to a decent amount of reasonable efficient spending on needed transportation infrastructure. A lot of state spending is on things besides infrastructure. Also a lot of the infrastructure is more expensive than it needs to be because of certain state laws or regulations which increase the cost, for example laws requiring the use of union labor, or setting a minimum pay level that is well above federal minimums and above the normal market rate. I'm not sure that his applies to WA or not but it does in some states. As it turns out, the Seattle area will have to pay a higher gas tax to pay for the viaduct whether its the 'cheap' or expensive replacement. Again, you get what you pay for. Lets assume the viaduct is really needed and that spending for it is 100% reasonable. That doesn't mean that Seattle or WA can't possibly over spend. They may spend more on the viaduct than they have to (whichever option they choose they may overpay for it), or they may build some other road project that isn't needed, or even if all of their road spending is needed and efficient, they spend tons of money on other things besides roads. The fact that some state might have important projects that don't get done because of lack of money, doesn't mean the state does not overspend. Its more likely a sign that the state has misplaced priorities, wasting money in other ways when it needs the money for vital infrastructure. Tim