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To: altair19 who wrote (43292)	5/4/2005 10:16:09 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 104157

<<...I wonder if Karl Rove's kids have enlisted yet?...>> Don't count on it...;-) -s2@RoveAndCheneyAreBehindTheEvilEmpire.com btw, there's a good FrontLine program on pbs tonight on Wal-Mart... pbs.org

To: altair19 who wrote (43292)	5/4/2005 10:55:49 PM
From: Cactus Jack	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 104157

a19, I agree with everything you said there. If we're going to commit to fight a war, we must be prepared to fight it to win. If that isn't a viable option, then we shouldn't even start. Fighting a war in a political way is a recipe for disaster. jpg

To: altair19 who wrote (43292)	5/4/2005 11:04:09 PM
From: elpolvo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 104157

sergent19- The lesson no one ever talks about or dares to is ...if you want to commit all your armed services in a war, then get out of the way and let them win it. My opinion is that the war would have been over in two years had the military been cut loose to finish it and drive North. war is a lot of killing without due process of law. the only situation i know of in modern human civilization that justifies killing without due process of law is that of self defense when it is clear that anything less than lethal action will likely bring an immediate threat to innocent life. revenge doesn't cut it. preemptive guesses about what the "bad guys" MIGHT do doesn't cut it either. there must be a clear, present, unmistakeable danger to one's life in order to justify killing in self defense... otherwise, the matter must be deferred to due process of law. if you decide to go to war (which is outside the due process of law) you damn well better have proof that the justification exists. then... you pull the "BIG" trigger, annihilate the aggressor and head to court with your proof, if necessary, to validate your actions. the US armed services were not let loose to pull the "BIG" trigger in vietnam because the justification did not exist. i'm sure you can think of many US military operations since then where the above criteria has not been met and it explains why the "BIG" trigger has not been pulled. it also explains why the current administration has refused to validate and recognize a world court and refused to allow any US personnel to be subjected to its rule of law. god help any poor bastage who would join any armed forces (of any country or militia) and pledge an oath to obey a commander in chief who does not understand and abide by the rules for engagement as defined by modern human civilization. (involuntary draftee victims excluded) -lepolv86