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To: sea_urchin who wrote (23098)	5/5/2005 5:17:43 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 81019

Re: I told you there's a lot they don't know about the brain... Of course... but they know even less about the US Christian Right's cunning ploys to sway public opinion.... Anyway, my point is that the Herbert case is quite different from the Schiavo one --as the following excerpt shows: Mr Herbert had been fighting a house fire in December 1995 when the roof collapsed and he was buried under debris. He went without oxygen for several minutes and fell into a coma for more than two months. When he regained consciousness, his speech was halting and slurred, and he did not recognise his family. He would sporadically and infrequently answer "yes" or "no" to a question, but remained mostly silent, wheelchair-bound, and almost blind. He has undergone therapy for much of the time since, and for the past seven and a half years has been treated at the Catholic-run Father Baker Manor nursing home in Buffalo. [...] news.independent.co.uk Here's the key clue: "[Don Herbert] fell into a coma for more than two months. When he regained consciousness, his speech was halting and slurred, and he did not recognise his family." Don Herbert did indeed "regain consciousness" only TWO MONTHS after his accident!

To: sea_urchin who wrote (23098)	5/5/2005 5:25:52 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81019

Just a scientific footnote that'll help you sort it out between the Schiavo PVS case and the Herbert (severe) PTSD case: Definition Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is a natural emotional reaction to a deeply shocking and disturbing experience. It is a normal reaction to an abnormal situation. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is defined in DSM-IV, the fourth edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. For a doctor or mental health professional to be able to make a diagnosis, the condition must be defined in DSM-IV or its international equivalent, the World Health Organization's ICD-10. In the previous version of DSM (DSM-III) a criterion of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder was for the sufferer to have faced a single major life-threatening event; this criterion was present because a) it was thought that PTSD could not be a result of "normal" events such as bereavement, business failure, interpersonal conflict, bullying, harassment, stalking, marital disharmony, working for the emergency services, etc, and b) most of the research on PTSD had been undertaken with people who had suffered a threat to life (eg combat veterans, especially from Vietnam, victims of accident, disaster, and acts of violence). In DSM-IV the requirement was eased although most mental health practitioners continue to interpret diagnostic criterion A1 as applying only to a single major life-threatening event. There is growing recognition that Post Traumatic Stress Disorder can result from many types of emotionally shocking experience including an accumulation of small, individually non-life-threatening events in which case the resultant PTSD is referred to as Complex PTSD. [...] Excerpted from: bullyonline.org Also worth a look: ncptsd.va.gov