To: michael97123 who wrote (161441 ) 5/5/2005 10:36:11 AM From: Nadine Carroll Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500 If it is not racism, its certainly an obscession and has less and less to do with zionism and more and more to do with portraying jews as evil as nazis Yes. Notice how the "presence of a hostile beachhead" - over 500 miles away in another country! - is now used to justify the destruction of an ethnic group that had been in place for 2500 years. That's 1000 years longer than the Arabs had been there. But note: only the Arabs get to be "indigenous". Jews are never indigenous anywhere, no matter the length of stay. That was always a big trope in anti-Semitic portrayals of Jews that portrayed them as a kind of parasite on humanity without proper behavior or rights because they never belonged anywhere. Ironically, one of the aims of Zionism was to undercut this trope. Who could have foreseen that the soi-disant champions of the oppressed would react by becoming passionate advocates for the national and property rights of a small bunch of Arabs for whom they wouldn't have given a rat's ass over if they had suffered 100 times worse at Arab hands. This is not a hypothetical case as Arab rulers have not hesitated to engage in forced dispossession and mass murder on a large scale, and these same people never did give a rat's ass. Hama? who ever heard of it? 20,000 dead, so what? But Sabra and Shatila, where an Israeli can be blamed (Hobeika might as well have been Sharon's horse for the all the responsibility he was ever assigned for the massacre which his troops committed)? Now, there was a cause! No, my friend, it doesn't matter what you suffered. It only matters at whose hands you suffered. Because you are nothing but a prop on the stage. The play is not about you.