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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (161538)	5/6/2005 1:00:57 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 281500

I think both the Tibet AND the Palestine are regarded as "occupied territories". The US doesn't support China militarily in occupying Tibet.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (161538)	5/7/2005 4:09:18 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

That's not so in re the tibetans, Hawk, not around here anyway, there is widespread knowledge of the wrong done them, some famous protests have been made, one involved the mounties removing pro-tibetan banners on a parade route along which chinese leaders were to travel, this apparently was ordered by one of Chrétien's gofers, Jean Carl, and was later investigated, the two JCs and the mountie chief don't come off looking so good in it .... i know a lot of people here, and have never met anyone who supports han chinese action against tibetans ... my wife's friend is a hakka of taiwanese ancestry and raised in the Filipinas, she is quite livid on the subject, says she knows many canadians of han chinese ancestry who agree with her, of those i know i've heard a bit on it from one, and he agrees it is wrong The difference between this and the plight of palestinians, is that you don't see the occupation of tibetan lands being heavily promoted in this society, not promoted at all, nobody to my knowledge even trying to justify it, save maybe Mq's favourite chicom-ette, who is not likely to gain any credence with that routine

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (161538)	5/7/2005 4:13:38 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Again, the international double standard applies because whereas, the Palestinians are seen as an occupied people, the Tibetan's are not. Definitely helps to be the regional superpower, like Turkey or China. What they invade and colonize, hey, them's the breaks. Lhasa is a Chinese city now, so many Han have colonized it. A million Tibetans have been killed in the process. Have you EVER heard any news organization refer to the Chinese colonists of Lhasa as "settlers"?

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (161538)	5/7/2005 4:30:11 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

The commemorations of 60 years since the end of WWII in Europe and the discovery of the concentration camps is a timely reminder of how the Jews of Europe were annihilated because they were considered not to be Europeans, being of Levantine origin. At the same time we see that those of their brethren who made their escape back to their country of origin can still be despised AS Europeans, and have it grandly declared that they had no right to move to the Levant. All the Levant, it is declared, belongs to the Arabs, the only true Levantines (we both know that dozens of other Levantine peoples, such as the Maronites, Druze, Copts, Kurds, Turkomen etc would object vociferously to this idea). So the Jews don't belong in Europe because they are Levantines, and they don't belong in the Levant because they are Europeans. Sort of the ultimate Catch-22.