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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (231776)	5/6/2005 2:36:27 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572637

But secularist's god is 'political correctness'

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (231776)	5/6/2005 3:07:49 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572637

Pagan practice is a non religious one.......secular means non religious. Paganism is indeed religious. You just worship different "gods" or otherwise consult alternate supernatural beings. Dang! You did it again.....you managed to divert the conversation. First of all, seances are not a pagan activity. Many mediums believe in the one God. Pagans, when they do believe in just one god or any god for that matter, that god is not the same god as Christians, Jews etc. Therefore, a seance is more a secular activity than a religious one. No Christian church sanctions seances. Secondly, while paganism sometimes is called a religion by some, we are not talking about religion in the same sense as Judaism or Catholicism. Therefore, its irrevelant to the discussion re. the division between religion and secularism. In secularism, there is no room for the supernatural and other superstitions. Therefore, secularism is not the same as paganism. Since seances are frowned upon by Christian religions and since secularism is concerned with things non religious, then its more likely that seances would fall into that category. Besides, it seems to me that a White House where seances were present was not a particularly religious one. But to go back to your original question, where does Lincoln's second inaugural speech show the struggle between religion and secularism...........he shows the struggle very subtlely. He says in the speech that both the North and the South are asking for help in the war from the same God. They both are praying for victory. Well, how could a God satisfy such requests from both sides? Its impossible. And that was Lincoln's point. The Civil War was not a religious war; it was not of God in which He should intervene but a war of men. The affairs of men do not require the involvement of God. They are the puny activities of men. Render unto Ceasar that which is his, and to God.......... The evangelicals who try to mix the two are acting inappropriately and by doing so, belittle God. Its time this discussion was ended. We are a secular state and not a theocracy. ted