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To: energyplay who wrote (63641)	5/8/2005 4:47:58 AM
From: Snowshoe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

>>The Ukarine then 'correctly' elects a pro-Western president, who IMMEDIATELY appoints the MOST pro-Moscow person to be #2 and responsible for energy...<< Are you talking about Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko? Why would she be pro-Moscow? The Russkies want to arrest her... Arrest fears force Ukraine's 'iron lady' to cancel Moscow trip news.telegraph.co.uk (Filed: 13/04/2005) Yulia Tymoshenko, Ukraine's prime minister, has indefinitely delayed her visit to Moscow after threats of arrest. Miss Tymoshenko, who was part of Viktor Yushchenko's team which took power in the orange revolution last November, has been told that criminal charges against her are still in force. She had been planning to go to Russia for a two-day state visit, planned for April 15, but the government has been forced to cancel. Russia's top prosecutor said she is wanted in Russia on charges of bribing military officials while she was head of a gas trading company in the mid-1990s. She denies the charges. Vladimir Ustinov, Russia's general prosecutor, told parliament's upper house yesterday the case against Miss Tymoshenko was still open. "She is on the wanted list, as before," he said, quoted by Russian news agencies. An arrest warrant for Miss Tymoshenko was issued by a Russian military court last September.

To: energyplay who wrote (63641)	5/8/2005 10:18:51 AM
From: critical_mass	Respond to of 74559

The Ukarine then 'correctly' elects a pro-Western president, who IMMEDIATELY appoints the MOST pro-Moscow person to be #2 and responsible for energy. what is the name of "#2"? my understanding is that western europe imports quite a bit of gas from russia that is transited via belarus and ukraine. ukraine has recently negotiated with turkmenistan and (gulp) iran in an attempt to bring in revenue as "middleman" on the way to gas hungry western european countries, notably, germany. on the surface, germany seems to have decent relations with putin and russian, but at the same time, it supported the "western leaning" candidate in the ukrainian elections. it seems the germans would like to have a choice of suppliers, but it seems premature to anger the russians, IMHO. this is pure speculation on my part.

To: energyplay who wrote (63641)	5/8/2005 10:24:43 PM
From: Slagle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

energyplay, Re: Caspian. Very interesting, thought they had a "blanket formation" huh? Does Saudi have a blanket formation? I bet you are very close to the truth in this post, though I have never heard it all put together quite like that. It seems that you believe like I do, that at least part of the explanation for the way the world works is that it is a "rigged game". Some people, and some here on this board put too much emphasis on "natural forces" (economic forces, political actions of the masses, ect.) to explain how things are or what might happen in the future, ignoring a good bit of historical evidence that such forces have been subverted in the past and are likely to be in the future. I bet you are right about the oil sands. Slagle