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To: teevee who wrote (162044)	5/14/2005 8:20:27 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>> A future potential middle east threat is that if Iran is allowed to obtain nuclear weapons, nuclear Islamic nations like Pakistan and Iran may one day extend a nuclear umbrella to Palestinians, forcing Israel back to pre 1967 borders. And why is this a bad thing?

To: teevee who wrote (162044)	5/15/2005 8:06:43 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

...Israel back to pre 1967 borders What's really weird, is that is what the majority of Israelis want. ...Further, the survey found that 67% of Israelis believe that a withdrawal from the occupied territories and the deployment of the IDF along the Green Line will generate hope, or great hope, among the Israeli public. In contrast, only 42% of respondents said that the continuous presence of the Israeli army in Palestinian cities gave them hope for the future. chicagopeacenow.org The majority of Israelis want to withdraw to pre-1967 borders, but you don't want them to. Would you mind explaining your rationale? Do you know better than 67% of Israelis what's good for them? And if you do, what business is it of yours? Israel is a democracy [supposedly], isn't it up to the people of Israel to determine whether they have military presence in the occupied territories or not? Why aren't you arguing that the Israeli government should be responsive to the will of the people that want to exit the occupied territories? I thought that's what democracies were supposed to do. Whose side are you on, the Israel people who want to leave the occupied territories or the Israeli government who deny the will of the Israeli people? jttmab

To: teevee who wrote (162044)	5/15/2005 10:18:26 AM
From: sylvester80	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Some people just don't get it. Force produces even more force in return. Make no mistake that no matter however long it takes and however many tries, that unless the U.S. and Israel GET IT and learn to be less greedy and settle for a fair solution, Iran, jihadists, Palestinians and every other one that you think is an "enemy", will acquire nukes AND use them. No bunker busting crap could change that fact. Make no mistake about it. History is a perfect guide in trying to force unjust solutions by force. You will get nothing with more force, other than more force in return that will eventually burn everyone to a crisp. And their side does not care about death, while the other side does. So who has more to lose? So Israel and the U.S. need to WAKE THE HELL UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!!!!