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To: energyplay who wrote (63872)	5/15/2005 3:33:06 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 74559

Re: Ray - Would you try to build a steel home ? With your own money ? I've got 25 years of practical experience in wood and steel framing of residential, industrial, commercial and institutional (i.e. government) structures. Today the ideal solution in most locations is a composite. Stick framing is still the minimum required for the bearing elements for roof loads, but what I'd probably do is concrete deck carrying a lally column lattice with junior beam headers carrying upper floor and roof trusses. This structure would be enveloped in a straw-bale shell stuccoed on the interior and exterior for fire-proofing, sound-proofing and R-60 sidewall insulation. Ideally, we'd forgo the ridiculous UBC requirement for a vapor barrier which is a prescription for rot in most instances. The roof-attic would be similarly insulated to a minimum of R-60 and the south facing roof would be a combo of direct heat solar water and space heating and photovoltaic shingling. (This is for my 45 degree North Latitude location and doesn't apply to Curitiba.) Glazing would be the latest low-e double or triple glazed units with a practical R value of 6 or higher. And did I mention that a family of four can be joyously happy in 1,200 sq. ft. and perfectly miserable in the 3,000 sq. ft. plastic McMansions that are so much in fashion today?

To: energyplay who wrote (63872)	5/15/2005 4:10:31 AM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 74559

Thanks eplay! The steel frame company is recently established and have a just a couple of builds: One is the house that is his show room, a hospital another and a house they are building. The reason he hasn’t got many customers is the suspicion on the market that it is untried and people don’t want to be the guinea pigs. I keep thinking with all the big steel companies making steel for mobile towers and to export if they will make the steel for him who is a small company and then it will take ages. On the brick, hollow block and mortar business the know-how is established and we know the good and the bad aspects. There, it takes a year to get the house built. The construction company said it takes that time because people spread the money over that period. He says he can build in six months if I have the money to disemburse over this short period. I do but I think is going to take 9 months. The steel frame company says they can build in three months once I have the license and the plans ready. "major remodleing was associated with higher rates of divorce.”? Another one. The first one was enough! I don’t want the trouble to construct and wanted to buy ready to move in. My wife hasn’t found a house with the right sie bedrooms and kitches. They make small kitches and tiny bedrooms and immense living rooms and watsed space. Besides the lots were small and we favor larger ones. Or the street was noisy, or the lot needed lots of retaining walls… And so it went and we decided to build.