To: RetiredNow who wrote (232850 ) 5/16/2005 2:07:41 AM From: Raymond Duray Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1576313 Re: I've seen this happen in one of the companies I am servicing now. They have offshored most of their IT over the last several years. Many of the domestic H-1 Indians and Chinese went back to their homelands, but the domestic Americans have largely moved into tech lead and manager positions No, these people have become useless parasites and unless they can find a protectionist way to preserve their pointless existence, they too must be destroyed upon the anvil of commerce. What real purpose do these parasites serve? They are now essentially simply mendacious middlemen separating a market from its manufacturers. Surely these "lead and manager" types are expendable on the alter of efficiency. I say, off with their heads! *** Re: The alternative is protectionism, Protectionism worked brilliantly for 170 years in America to nurture, enrich and strengthen local, regional and national manufacturing and commerce. The greatest moment in America's expansion of the middle class occurred in the early 1970s, when a protectionist policy had fully bloomed and America was the strongest manufacturing nation on the planet. Once you devilish "free traders" came to the fore in the aftermath of the days of the demonic, moronic Ronnie Ray-gun, America's manufacturing base has been hollowed out. Not one other nation on the planet respects America for what it can provide. Not one other nation on the planet respects America for the strength and integrity of its fiat currency. And every other nation on the planet realizes that the sophomoric leadership by America's elites for their own venal ends is destroying this nation, debt by debt, drip by drip. This is the way America ends, not with a bang, but a whimper. No longer able to meet its debt obligations. No longer able to push forward its imperialist armies. No longer able to keep bad men from raping the national treasury. No longer able to keep corporations from wrecking the tax structure and then abandoning the country. This is the way America ends. By no longer being honest.