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To: sea_biscuit who wrote (162143)	5/15/2005 10:00:55 PM
From: DayTraderKidd	Respond to of 281500

It is still the same war. The only difference is we already fought the war we planned to fight. Now we are fighting the war the Iraqies planned to fight.

To: sea_biscuit who wrote (162143)	5/15/2005 10:25:40 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Nope....not a lie. Its a fact. J.

To: sea_biscuit who wrote (162143)	5/15/2005 10:26:24 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 281500

Here's what scum like you are worth.... coxandforkum.com

To: sea_biscuit who wrote (162143)	5/20/2005 5:32:10 AM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

POMP AND POLITICS IN GRAND RAPIDS: Bush visit brings controversy _______________ Students and faculty to protest Christian school's commencement speaker BY KATHLEEN GRAY DETROIT FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER May 19, 2005 Calvin College may be predominantly Republican, but a visit from President George W. Bush on Saturday is stirring up some discontent among students, faculty and alumni. One-third of the faculty members have signed a letter of protest that will appear in a half-page ad in the Grand Rapids Press on Saturday, the day Bush is to deliver the commencement address to 900 graduating seniors at Calvin. The ad cost $2,600. "As Christians, we are called to be peacemakers and to initiate war only as a last resort," the letter says. "We believe your administration has launched an unjust and unjustified war in Iraq." More than 800 students, faculty and alumni also have signed a letter protesting Bush's visit that will appear Friday as a full-page ad in the Grand Rapids paper. The ad cost more than $9,500. "We are alumni, students, faculty and friends of Calvin College who are deeply troubled that you will be the commencement speaker at Calvin," the letter states. "In our view, the policies and actions of your administration, both domestically and internationally over the past four years, violate many deeply held principles of Calvin College." And about 100 students are expected to adorn their graduation gowns with armbands and buttons bearing the slogan: "God is not a Republican or Democrat." "I'm definitely worried about a Christian school being affiliated with the Christian right," said Elise Elzinga, a 22-year-old Lambertville resident who will graduate Saturday with a degree in political science and international relations. ... RELATED CONTENT Calvin College's claims to fame AT A GLANCE... History: Established in 1876 by the Christian Reformed Church in Grand Rapids, primarily as a training ground for future ministers. First 4-year degree was given in 1921. Today: Offers more than 100 programs ranging from English to Asian studies. Enrollment: 4,186, including 900 graduating seniors. Sports: Calvin College Knights compete in 17 sports, including cross-country, where runners won the Division III national title last year. Common sights: Daily and Sunday worship services, spiritual counselors in every dorm. Notable alumni: Betsy DeVos, former chairman of the Michigan Republican Party; Richard DeVos and Jay Van Andel, founders of Alticor, the successor to Amway Corp.; U.S. Rep. Vern Ehlers, R-Mich.; philosopher Alvin Plantinga; U.S. District Judge John Feikens. freep.com