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To: E who wrote (104139)	5/15/2005 10:48:00 PM
From: Oral Roberts	Respond to of 108807

Wow. To say you need some sharp shooting or a more relaxed hunting season would be putting it mildly. I'm sorry for you.

To: E who wrote (104139)	5/15/2005 10:56:04 PM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I had to protect a sizable area from deer depredation (it was a seed orchard where we propagated genetically superior trees). We built a ten foot high fence. It kept the deer out but some bunnies sneaked through a small hole in the fence and ate an acre or two of very costly seed trees. A neighbor had a garden and successfully kept the deer out with a shorter fence by constructing an overhang on the top outside, sort of like an upside down L. If you were going to spend 30 thousand dollars, you could get a landscape architect to design one that didn't make your yard look like Stalag 3.

To: E who wrote (104139)	6/10/2005 12:34:59 PM
From: Jill	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

"We haven't even mentioned Lyme disease. It's really a crisis, this deer situation. Children on this road aren't allowed outside without special gear on and close post-play examination for ticks. We can't picnic on the grass outside any more. Any time I go out into the yard, I have do a tick search. It's awful." I know in the past you've remarked lightly on lyme disease and how you and hubby got it five times and easily got over it. There is a book coming out by a superb science writer whose entire family was devastated by lyme. She spent five years talking to all the scientists and has documentation of what really went down. First of all, the tests are purposely inaccurate and purposely miss a lot of true lyme. For instance, band 93 is diagnostic. This science writer thinks the CDC changed the data on testing so as to limit the appearance of the epidemic (make it look smaller). In addition, all the scientists admit that the spirochete persists in tissue in every species no matter what. Now, what does a persistent infection do? Lynn Margulis writes in Daedalus that Nietzsche's late sudden madness was simply the final blooming of latent syphilis--and all at once over a few days, in his brain. Secondly, about 30% of the population have HLA subtypes that cause autoimmune disorders in conjunction with being exposed to borrelia. Thirdly, there are many strains around the country. Fourth, a smoldering borrelia infection is documented to have strong correlations with (can't prove cause unless you were to do serious huge cohort prospective studies with proper assays) to: parkinson's, M.S., ALS, neuropsychiatric disorders, fibromylagia, rhuematoid arthritis etc. A very common manifstation as I've said many times, are migraine headache (because it infects the meninges). Many patients who have strange episodic disorders that seem to relapse and remit, are simply suffering outbreaks of borrelia, which changes its surface antigens periodically; anyway, they are suffering its resurgence and then it quiets down again. I spoke with an M.D. yesterday who has a few "Parkinson's" patients who are improving on doxycycline and reducing their meds. I.E> they have lyme. It is as serious as getting a very bad strain of syphilis in your backyard. It may be more serious. It amazes me that people continue to live this way--children wearing protective gear as you put it, no picnics on your lawn, and yet at least you are honest here about it. It seems that many people downplay it, even if 'every nieghbor on the block has it' and even if they notice their neighborhoods have unusual amounts of other disorders. Of course, people often try to hide it from shame. Who wants to admit that their beloved home is a plague zone? It would plummet real estate value, and besides, people are attached to their homes. And who would come visit if they knew the truth? I have an acquaintance who is a bond trader who seems healthy until he admitted to me that he has "m.s." for 10 years and takes shots twice weekly. Lives in Connecticut, of course. I sent him to a lyme specialist and yes, he has lyme. His neurologist won't believe it. He'll take antibiotics and get better. People live with a strange cognitive dissonance about it. These homes are mostly for the privileged. This is NOT an inner city disease. Not a disease of concrete, but a disease of beautiful homes and 25 million deer.