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To: SilentZ who wrote (233471)	5/18/2005 6:06:06 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572124

re: No, I'm just saying that the press doesn't always get it right. Not that I'm sure that Newsweek's story wasn't actually true, and I'm pretty sure that Dan Rather's one was. These guys hold the press to a higher standard than their politicians. Ask him about the intentional lies about the cost of the prescription drug benefit to the public, AND congress. In this Republic, I would rather have an aggressive press that pushes the borders than a press that is afraid to upset the establishment (similar to many totalitarian countries).

To: SilentZ who wrote (233471)	5/18/2005 10:38:10 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 1572124

KORAN STORY UNQUESTIONABLY TRUE Re: Not that I'm sure that Newsweek's story wasn't actually true, You can be absolutely certain that the story is true. The White House is simply acting as a bully. Bush has no grounds whatsoever to attack Newsweek, other than pure chutzpah. Here's from today's Democracy NOW!: democracynow.org AMY GOODMAN: Michael Ratner, can you talk about the Tipton Guantanamo detainees, those detainees who went back to Britain from Tipton? MICHAEL RATNER: Right. You know, this story, it’s almost like a kill the messenger story. Here, the United States has essentially been exploiting Muslim religion in its interrogations in Guantanamo for a long period of time, and all of a sudden, Newsweek does a retraction, not of actually what happened to the Koran, but in fact of whether it was mentioned in a military report that is about to be released about Guantanamo. And what's interesting to me is over a year ago, I was in London, in England, and I interviewed three of the Tipton people who had been released, and they told me very clearly stories of the abuse of the Koran. They talked about how it was kicked around on the floor, how it was thrown into the toilet. This is a year ago – AMY GOODMAN: They told you directly? MICHAEL RATNER: They told me directly. I interviewed them. They told me that directly. It's now contained in the Tipton report, which is up on the Center's website. You can read it there. AMY GOODMAN: What's the website? MICHAEL RATNER: CCR-NY.org. So it's all out there. It's not only out there because of that, the Kuwaitis were represented by an attorney in Washington following – AMY GOODMAN: Kuwaiti detainees at Guantanamo? MICHAEL RATNER: Kuwaiti detainees at Guantanamo filed a lawsuit, again claiming that the Koran was abused, that pages were torn out and thrown into the toilet. So this stuff is – it’s almost old news. And what’s happened here is the administration has latched onto something to try and really cover up its own utter abuse of Muslim religion. And you add to that the interrogation techniques that were actually approved by Rumsfeld at Guantanamo, and those are all about religious abuse. Those are about forcible shaving of Muslims. Those are about stripping of Muslims. Those are about exploiting phobias – these are words from Rumsfeld's own approved interrogation techniques – exploiting phobias, e.g., dogs. They are about taking away comfort items, e.g., religious items. So, we are talking about an entire system of interrogation that in part was based upon Muslim sensitivities.