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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (181296)	5/21/2005 1:44:00 AM
From: Elmer Phud	Respond to of 186894

Ten I'm about done with Ali. Only a fool argues with a fool...

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (181296)	5/21/2005 1:17:26 PM
From: Dan3	Respond to of 186894

Re: has to run all the way back to 1999 1999 is when the companies diverged. Until then they had similar architectures (in terms of FSB, memory configuration, chipset interfaces that AMD licensed from Intel, and pipeline length) and since then they've each gone their seperate ways. Now AMD designs its own everything (as does Intel), and AMD seems to be doing a much better job to the degree that it's now Intel taking advantage of their cross-licensing agreement to produce clones of AMD designs (X64).

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (181296)	5/21/2005 3:48:24 PM
From: Ali Chen	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Tench, "you have Ali against the ropes when he has to run all the way back to 1999" You got it all backwards. It is Elmer who is on the ropes since he has to call to his three-generations old authority and experience, and as I recall, in chipsets (as you might be aware, design for fixed frequency target is somewhat different from design for top achievable frequency, as in mass-consumed microprocessors). If he could have any recent knowledge about emerging transistor variability, increasing threshold variability, noise [non]immunity, data-dependent crosstalks, internal starvation of power planes, exponential leakages, etc. etc., he would realize how ridiculous his ancient "stuck at fault" is as compared to modern jungle-on-chip. "What a maroon ..." Whatever... - Ali