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To: RetiredNow who wrote (67951)5/21/2005 12:55:32 PM
From: rkral  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 77400
 
mindmeld, re "But there's an even greater flaw to [ed: pfalk's] argument. Once an option is issued, it has already created dilution. EPS is calculated taking into account all potentially dilutive securities, including options. "

It's time to come out of the dark ages, mindmeld. It hasn't been "fully diluted EPS" since Dec 15, 1997. Here are some excerpts from FASB SFAS 128. fasb.org

"17. The dilutive effect of outstanding call options and warrants (and their equivalents) issued by the reporting entity shall be reflected in diluted EPS by application of the treasury stock method unless [ed: some exceptions] Equivalents of options and warrants include nonvested stock granted to employees, stock purchase contracts, and partially paid stock subscriptions. Under the treasury stock method:
a. Exercise of options and warrants shall be assumed at the beginning of the period (or at time of issuance, if later) and common shares shall be assumed to be issued.
b. The proceeds from exercise shall be assumed to be used to purchase common stock at the average market price during the period.
c. The incremental shares (the difference between the number of shares assumed issued and the number of shares assumed purchased) shall be included in the denominator of the diluted EPS computation.

18. Options and warrants will have a dilutive effect under the treasury stock method only when the average market price of the common stock during the period exceeds the exercise price of the options or warrants (they are “in the money”). Previously reported EPS data shall not be retroactively adjusted as a result of changes in market prices of common stock.
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"21. In applying the treasury stock method described in paragraph 17, the assumed proceeds shall be the sum of (a) the amount, if any, the employee must pay upon exercise, (b) the amount of compensation cost attributed to future services and not yet recognized, and (c) the amount of tax benefits (both deferred and current), if any, that would be credited to additional paid-in capital assuming exercise of the options."
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For example, if there were N options outstanding with exercise price E, and the tax-rate for the period were t, and the average market price during the period were P, then x shares would be added to basic shares where ...

x = N * ( 1 - E / P ) * ( 1 - t )

Note that x can be much less than N. Indeed, if P is less than E, there is no dilution using the treasury stock method.

Ron

P.S. My two prior posts to you about fully-diluted EPS obviously fell on deaf ears.
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