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To: Brumar89 who wrote (17151)	5/21/2005 4:43:07 PM
From: tsigprofit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

And the International Red Cross just came out with reports also from 2002-2003 that confirmed some mistreatment also. Look - how do you think it looks to Muslims when they see: * People put naked in pyramids and made to pose in Abu G.? * Saddam taken in his underwear and plastered all over British tabloids (BTW I heard a Dr. from Iraq say this was a humiliation of ALL Iraqis, not just Saddam, just today..) * And the continuing reports of abuse in Cuba, Afghanistan, etc. It will all come back to haunt us. Just wait and see. What if our President was paraded in his underwear in prison? What if our soldiers, male and female - were captured and photographed naked, in compromising poses - or made to crawl through the dirt? These all reflect on the US very badly, IMHO. You know the expression "what goes around, comes around" or just plain old KARMA? Sad. Very sad. >> GIVING NEWSWEEK COVER [John Podhoretz] The New York Times continues the bizarre act of carrying Newsweek's water in the wake of the false Koran-desecration story (which I write about this morning here). The paper's lead story is a lurid account of the vicious

To: Brumar89 who wrote (17151)	5/21/2005 4:51:26 PM
From: tsigprofit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Karzai 'shocked' by abuse report Saturday, May 21, 2005 Posted: 6:10 AM EDT (1010 GMT) Anti-American protests erupt in Afghanistan. KABUL, Afghanistan (Reuters) -- Afghan President Hamid Karzai said on Saturday he was shocked by a U.S. army report on abuse of detainees in Afghanistan, saying his government wanted custody of all Afghan prisoners and control over U.S. military operations. The abuse described in the report, including details of the deaths of two inmates at an Afghan detention center, happened in 2002 and emerged from a nearly 2,000-page file of U.S. army investigators, the New York Times reported on Friday. "It has shocked me thoroughly and we condemn it," Karzai told a news conference. "We want the U.S. government to take very, very strong action, to take away people like that." Karzai, a staunch ally in the U.S.-led war against terrorism, is due to leave on a U.S. trip later on Saturday. He will meet President George W. Bush for talks next week. Karzai wants to forge a broad long-term partnership with his most important ally but he said he would also reiterate a request for the return of Afghan prisoners and control over U.S. military operations. The United States commands a foreign force in Afghanistan of about 18,300, most of them American, fighting Taliban insurgents and hunting militant leaders, including Osama bin Laden. Many Afghans have criticized U.S. troops for what are seen as heavy-handed tactics, such as breaking into people's homes in the middle of the night in their search for militants. Growing resentment of U.S. forces was partly behind violent anti-American protests last week, analysts said. The protests were sparked by a report U.S. army interrogators had desecrated the Koran. Sixteen people were killed and many wounded in violence in several Afghan cities. That report by Newsweek was later retracted, but the International Committee of the Red Cross subsequently said it had told the Pentagon of allegations U.S. personnel had mishandled the Koran. Karzai said searches should be carried out in cooperation with Afghan forces. "No operations inside Afghanistan should take place without the consultation of the Afghan government," he said. "They should not go to our people's homes any more without the knowledge of the Afghan government ... If they want any person suspected in a house, they should let us know and the Afghan government would arrange that." Karzai said he would also ask for "the return of prisoners to Afghanistan, all of them". The United States is holding more than 500 prisoners from its war on terrorism at the Guantanamo Bay naval base on Cuba. Many of them were detained in Afghanistan after U.S.-led troops overthrew the Taliban government in late 2001. U.S. forces are also believed to be holding several hundred Afghans in Afghanistan. Criminal charges The U.S. army report centers on the death of a 22-year-old taxi driver known only as Dilawar and that of another detainee, Habibullah, who died at the U.S. base at Bagram, north of Kabul, six days earlier in December 2002. According to the report, Dilawar was chained by his wrists to the top of his cell for several days before he died and his legs had been pummeled by guards. "The file depicts young, poorly trained soldiers in repeated incidents of abuse. The harsh treatment, which has resulted in criminal charges against seven soldiers, went well beyond the two deaths," the New York Times said. In sworn statements to army investigators, soldiers described mistreatment ranging from a female interrogator stepping on a detainee's neck and kicking another in the genitals to a shackled prisoner being made to kiss the boots of interrogators, according to the newspaper. U.S. officials have characterized incidents of prisoner abuse at Bagram in 2002 as isolated problems that were thoroughly investigated, the newspaper said. Two army interrogators have been reprimanded and seven soldiers have been charged, the newspaper said. cnn.com

To: Brumar89 who wrote (17151)	5/21/2005 4:52:32 PM
From: tsigprofit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

You cannot have a war on a tactic like Terror. To do so is to only pursue perpetual war, for it's own sake. Why not have a war on guerilla fighting? I don't think you will be able to end terror - even if the US bankrupts itself trying...

To: Brumar89 who wrote (17151)	5/21/2005 4:59:32 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

"but to make the point that the United States is engaged in despicable conduct as it fights the war on terror." Do you think they made the point? Should such conduct be buried?