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To: TimF who wrote (115984)	5/24/2005 5:34:25 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793801

I would use "human rights" as being the same thing as "natural rights". Fine. I'll accept your usage and forget about that red herring. But bear in mind that reproductive rights and the right to be left alone are also natural rights. So if you're honoring natural rights, you have to honor those natural rights, too. "The right of the people" or anything like that it is talking about the rights of fetuses as well. Baloney. The constitution speaks of native born and naturalized citizens. Those are "the people." If you ain't a citizen, you ain't a people. There is where you view of my opinion, deviates from the actual opinion. Much of the rest of your post is just heading down that same wrong track. I'm not misstating your opinion. I'm trying to point out what I see as a contradiction. But no matter. I'll leave the construction of the constitution out of it. If they have no such constitutional right than the states regulating against abortion (including outright disallowing it) would not be an infringement on their constitutional rights. This is where I think you've gone wrong. You keep framing your argument against an alleged positive right to an abortion. You won't get that claim from me. IMO It's just silly to claim a right to an abortion. What we have instead are a negative right to be left alone and positive and negative reproductive rights. Those are natural rights if not constitutional rights. You may claim, also, a natural right for the pre-born to life but you cannot press for that at the expense of the natural rights of women to both privacy and reproduction. Although they may regulate it some around the edges, no civilized country tells people that they can't or must reproduce or that they can't or must have a medical procedure.