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To: ManyMoose who wrote (104962)	5/24/2005 6:26:25 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I could make a parallel statement that I also believe to be true: The only numbskulls around here are the Americans who are silent about the atrocities committed by their brethren. Now, to explain that, anti-war Americans do believe a lot of atrocities have been committed by American troops. We invaded a country and bombed lots of civilians, including babies, women, old men and wedding parties, to smithereens. Those people did nothing to harm us. Anti-war Americans also believe that there is no justification for the torture and other severe interrogation techniques used at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. There are many Muslims who are peaceful and are at odds with the tactics of Muslim terrorists, incidentally. However, when America does not discriminate and kills innocents, it is not hard to understand why we are turning more and more Muslims against us.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (104962)	5/24/2005 7:09:28 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

There are a lot of Muslims who talk about the atrocities by other Muslims- in this country and elsewhere. We are even training tons of Muslims to be law enforcement in Iraq, to prevent atrocities- and they are getting killed every day for it, in numbers much higher than our own troops- those actions speak even louder than words (imo). In news reports many in Iraq condemn the killings (although not that many Suni, but that's understandable, I think). To blast all Muslims, when 1000's of them have died in the push for "freedom" in Iraq that we started, is very disrespectful to the people we are training, and setting up as juicy targets, and to the Muslim community, which consists of many different kinds of Muslims.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (104962)	5/24/2005 7:34:10 PM
From: redfish	Respond to of 108807

"The only numbskulls around here are the Muslims who are silent about the atrocities committed by their brethren." I cannot speak of atrocities or alleged atrocities committed on the far side of the world, and the Muslim reaction to them, as I am not there to witness them or to judge the various parties. In my little part of the world, the Muslims seem to be well behaved. Whether they are silent about atrocities or alleged atrocities committed by their brethren, I cannot judge unless I speak to them, which I do not given our voluntarily segregated society. However in my limited experience with them, I do not consider them a threat to me. Stand-off-ish, yes, but a threat to my physical well-being, no. An atrocity was committed in the U.S. on 9/11/01. Who regretted that atrocity, and who celebrated it, is open to question, and we will not know the truth for another 20 years, if ever.