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To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (104997)	5/25/2005 10:14:04 AM
From: JeffA	Respond to of 108807

atrocity

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (104997)	5/25/2005 10:32:21 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Humiliating a prisoner, by defiling his religion in front of him, while he is totally at your mercy, is quite a bit different from a free artist, displaying his work in a place no one is required to come to view it, and such prisoner abuse has nothing to do with "Freedom of Expression". I would suggest that an artist doing a "Piss Koran" would be just the same as "Piss Christ"- and they would both be examples of free artistic expression, which no one need look at unless they choose to- but you are comparing apples and oranges by comparing what might be inflicted on the incarcerated with a work viewed in an art gallery. If you were in prison I wouldn't want anyone humiliating you by flushing your bible or pieces of it, anymore than I think the Koran should be defiled. I assume you wouldn't want the bible flushed in front of Christian prisoners- and there are many Christian prisoners in our nation's jails. I would hope you would think that would be abusive, and an atrocity, even.

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (104997)	5/25/2005 2:34:08 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I don't know what "Piss Christ" meant to the artist who created it, but considering that most of the world is not Christian and that the Catholic Church in America, Canada and Ireland at least is dealing with a child sex abuse crisis that is so massive it is turning Catholics from their faith and causing some archdioceses to declare bankruptcy to pay all the legal judgments against them, I for one could certainly appreciate the artistic statement made by a crucifix submerged in urine. On a broader basis, organized religion and the wars it has caused have caused untold agony on the earth, and millions of violent deaths, at the least. What about the Inquisition? I went to a museum exhibit of torture devices used by the Church during the Inquisition that made my husband, who is pretty tough, want to vomit. Right now the influence of the Catholic Church in the third world causes untold suffering and slow death because of their stance against condoms. To assert that religion, or Christianity, is in whole or part a positive influence on individuals or humanity at large is certainly debatable. Artists like to use art to make statements like this. To be provocative, to make people think! More power to them.