To: jttmab who wrote (17253 ) 5/28/2005 2:38:45 AM From: 49thMIMOMander Respond to of 20773 "political system either emerges after a revolution or when it's given it's independence". There has been lots of (incremental) reforms around the world, at least since the 1970s. Just off the top of my memory - Sweden made some major changes in 1971(?), from bicameral to one parliament, major changes to constitution,etc Additionally adding "personal votes" (with a thrshold of 8%) to their (closed) party list PR system, just some years ago. - New Zealand is maybe the most recent, "best" example, from FPTP (US-UK-style) to STV a couple of years ago and "happy with it". - Australia made some changes too, although not seen as very "smart" - UK is still under the pressure to soon somehow implement their reform according to decisions made in 198x?? (the Jenkins Committee) - B.C. Canada just, last week, barely missed a referendum to go to STV, 57% voted for, but the threshold was set as 60%. Additionally majority in 60% of the districts, but all districts had a 50% majority for STV. However, it seems the reforms to the FPTP systems have been caused by "minor(or major) crises" in terms of that FPTP system. B.C. Canada experienced an election where the 53%(57%?) got 77 of the 79 seats. In UK the "pressure" for a reform was high already in the 1930s, but nothing happened during, after WW2. In the 1980s the pressure mounted once again (partly because of a future within EU, EU-candidates are elected using PR) but UK has yet to actually come to some conclusion. PS Some further UK-info: Both Scotland and Wales have already implemented reforms locally (as well as NI). One can claim EU as a triggering (external) force for them too, but not for NZ and B.C. CA. The "Jenkins" demand was "tactically" set up to demand - no changes to the present "situation" - a perfect system from the very start.. PPS Italy is also working hard on reforming their system.