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To: LindyBill who wrote (116229)5/25/2005 8:09:56 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793891
 
I see. Than strict constructionist would fit under what you are calling "libertarian judges", or at least provide for some of the end effect that you desire.

Forcing ranchers into a coop is a form of socialism. This all started under the "New Deal."

My understanding is that in this program they are forced to contribute to a department of agriculture program that makes statements which some of them might not like, and others might at least not want to pay for. Sounds like a bad idea to me, and it even has a wiff of socialism about it, but no more than say the entitlement programs or the federal minimum wage, or even public schools (and esp federal money for education). If you are asking a judge to declare this unconstitutional, it would seem that you either really do want libertarian activist judges or that you want radical strict constuctionists that would get rid of the majority of the non-defense related federal budget.

I can see an argument that it is unconstitutional, but not for violating the 1st amendment (unless the fact that I have pay for the state department to say things I don't like means that it violates my first amendment rights), but rather because of the limited power granted to the feds by the constitution. I think its reasonable to argue that the feds don't have the power to do this, but if they don't they probably don't have the power to do most of the other things they do.

Tim



To: LindyBill who wrote (116229)5/26/2005 8:18:38 AM
From: Ish  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793891
 
<< Forcing ranchers into a coop is a form of socialism.>>

I belong to a farmer owned co-op and pay a penny a bushel in the check off program that goes to the Soybean and Corn Associations. Just seems to be a way of life.