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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (64276)	5/26/2005 3:41:09 AM
From: energyplay	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 74559

Neocon mindset - I am just now thinking, as a result of your post, what their problem is: They are taking a mindset and worldview which is appropriate to a very small nation surrounded by enemies in the Middle East, and applying to a very big nation with friends on its borders and 3000 miles of ocean between it an any potential problems (with exception of Cuba) Sort of like an adult thinking they are a small, abused child. ********** The Cavaliers do fit with much of the 'Hispanic' mindset. Not sure that they think of them selves as completly superior. They do think of themselves as autonmous individuals and families, whereas the Yankees think of themselves more in refernce to a community. Obviously a spectrum here, but the Cavaliers are mostly on one side and Yankees on the other. Norman thinking is well represented in the Yankees and Cavailers, and to some degree in the Scotch and Irish. From 1066 on means there's lots of time for diffusion of ideas. The Cavailer / Roundhead spilt happend about the time of Oliver Cromwell, which was later - and I can't remember when ;-) I don't know enough about the Quakers to comment. BTW, Hispanic is a sloppy term - I know a number of Cuban, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans and scattered South Americans, plus a Spainard or two, and besides more or less speaking some version of Spanish, they are way too different. There is also a difference between East Coast Mexicans, who are found around Texas, and the one near California. The Normans didn't just spread ideas - it's likely that about 1/4 of the US population has some Norman ancestry. It's not so much a clique as pretty big tent... Other markers of Norman thinking - when you see a state politician campaigning on "Schools and Roads" that's pretty close to the Norman agenda. Note it doesn't have much about "helping people". Generally, Normans prefer property rights over (poor, conqured non-Norman) people. A man's home is his castle, of course - especially if it is a castle. Robin Hood was a Anglo-Saxon who was protesting the Norman lords taking everything. The US census is another version to the 'Domesday Book', the Norman inventory of what they had conquered in England. A pretty good illustration of Norman values can be found in the Magna Carta, which the Norman Barons imposed on the King at spear point....in 1268 ? Seems like yesterday ;-) You can also sense the fear of centralized state power in the Magna Carta. There are some pretty readable modern English versions on the web. The original is just a bit more obscure than Shakespere's language. Worth reading, and you will also learn why kids in school learn ABOUT the Magna Carta, but don't get to read much of it. In Oregon, at least the Western part, you have a really strong New England Yankee influence. Oregon is probably more New England than New England - much like New Zealand is now more English than England.